LOS question

[ranmafan]

Hey all,

I have a question - What parts of a Tervigon (and indeed other MCs) count for LOS? Although the rules state torso, arms, legs, do the Dorsal Vents on a Tervi count towards LOS? Does its tongue and tail count?

I've had a Cortez player insist on using the tip of my Tervi's dorsal vent and my Carnifex tails as a valid LOS target and then spamming Perfect Timing with his heavy-weapons vehicle/transport at them.

Also had a DA ravenwing player insist on using those bits and then lobbing heavy weapons at me through a building, etc. etc.

So far most of the veterans I also play with say the dorsal vents don't count, although most aren't too sure about the tails (some say yes, some say no).

Help appreciated! Thanks!

[infornography]

The rules could stand to be clearer on the matter but it was my understanding that dorsal vents do not count, tails do. Weapon systems and wings do not.

If you put any biomorphs on the end of your tail, those would not count.

It really is debatable though if dorsal vents and tails are decorative or parts of the body. There is no authoritative ruling on those as far as I am aware. But dorsal vents seem at least as decorative as wings (which are explicitly listed as not counting. Tails though seem more part of the body to me.

That's my take for what it's worth.

[raziel69r]

Hi ranmafan,

This is an interesting one and can have great repercussions on the game depending on how you play it. The way I would put it is that the vents are much like Dark Eldar sails which also don't count for LOS, they are only there to make the model look cool. As for the tail I would say that if they can see most of it then they can shoot it. The carnifex tail used to have some biomorph options which would make it a viable LOS target so I dont see why it wouldn't still be.

Raz

[jofan32]

I read that that you need to see more than 50% of a mc to to deny a cover save but also think it counts for vehicles as well might need to double check it. I'm sure you can't target a mc just cause you see the vents through a window that's just silly :-)

[coredump]

The rules clearly state that you ignore things like tails and antennae. the problem comes in with some Nid models as where does the 'torso' stop and the 'tail' start. (Trygon, zoan, raveners, etc.) We tend to use the spot where it contacts the base as the transition.

As for dorsal fins... they strike me the same as the antennae....

Jofan: You do need to double check, you are confusing 5E and 6E rules.

[baconslice]

Yea I agree as above. My argument is on a tervigon for instance. You could chop of the vents, tails, tongues and tuck in arms to make a smaller target. But it'd would still be a tervigon.
You could not however cut up its body or chop off a head or leg for the same advantage. Then it's just a broken model.
If I did that for all my MCs, most people at my club would then accuse me of modelling for advantage. And declare beardyness alert!

[voncrown]

This is roughly how I think about determining LOS- Figure out where the 'bulk' of the model is, i.e. the center of mass. Anything roughly within that area, and potentially things like the head if they stick out, are valid LOS targets.



In the case of the tervigon, it's more or less the bits which fall inside the red box, the only notable exception being a teeny bit of the head out front (not the tongue, though).

Also, that Coteaz player sounds like a cheeseball, I wouldn't play him again.

[jofan32]

Thanks coredump i knew i read it somewhere. i did check the 6th rules earlier and couldn't find it in there, knew i messed up somewhere d'oh :-)

[ranmafan]

Feb 22, 2013 21:37:23 GMT voncrown said:

This is roughly how I think about determining LOS- Figure out where the 'bulk' of the model is, i.e. the center of mass. Anything roughly within that area, and potentially things like the head if they stick out, are valid LOS targets.



In the case of the tervigon, it's more or less the bits which fall inside the red box, the only notable exception being a teeny bit of the head out front (not the tongue, though).

Also, that Coteaz player sounds like a cheeseball, I wouldn't play him again.

Yeah - that box is exactly what the older players tell me to look for.
Edit: Thank you very much for posting that reference image!

Also - No, I don't play against that guy anymore. He's earned a certain rep. ><