1250 nids vs dark eldar advice needed

[sketie]

ok the main person i play against uses dark eldar and i have lost 20/20 games against him. i have tried many different builds and i cant seem to beat him. i realize that tyranids struggle against dark eldar but by this point i think i would have won at least one game. so i have built another new list. i really could use some help with this.

HQ

Tervigon
catalyst, toxin sacs, adrenal glands


TROOPS

tervigon
catalyst, toxin sacs, adrenal glands

20 x termigaunts

20 x termigaunts


ELITES

3 x hive gaurd

2 x zoanthroape
mycetic spore
tl death spitter

FAST ATTACK

20 x gargoyles

5 x shrike
death spitter x 5


it comes out to 1250. please let me know what u think of the list and how u think it will do against dark eldar.

[patsfan32]

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, Psychic Scream, Leech Essence = 260 pts.

== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (3) = 150 pts.
Zoanthrope Brood (160 pts.)
Zoanthrope (2) = 120 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Troops ==
Termagant Brood (10) - Fleshborer = 50 pts.
Termagant Brood (10) - Fleshborer = 50 pts.
Tervigon (1) - Stinger Salvo, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught, Taken As Troops = 210 pts.
Tervigon (1) - Stinger Salvo, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught, Taken As Troops = 210 pts.

== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (20) - AG, Toxin Sacs = 160 pts.

== Total ==
1250 pts.

k you should really get a flyrant in there, the DE poison spam will shred your tervigon since they are slow. You already have two squads of gants so may aswell take the tervi as troops and use the flyrant as HQ. You should also drop the gun on the spore, it isnt really worth it. Shrikes will also get torn apart by the shooting in my opinion. The points are better spent in getting a flyrant and loading up your tervis with psychic powers in hopes you get endurance, you are gonna need it, Iron arm would also be nice, though the increase toughness doesnt mean much against poison. The decked out gargoyles can be your flash bangs that you throw at their most threatening shooters fast in hopes of locking them down and taking them out in CC. Really abuse that psychic table in the rule book, its the nids biggest advantage in 6th edition.

edit: also looking at your list you could drop a single hive guard and put crushing claws on each tervigon. Thats going to be personal preference, though I would personally take the claws, they are great on the tervigon in conjunction with smash attacks.

[brianb9999]

I disagree on loading up the tervigons with powers if you know you're facing dark eldar. In my experience, catalyst is key in ensuring your survival against poison and lances. Iron arm is worthless against DE.

[patsfan32]

endurance is catalyst+1 its a risk but it could pay off bigger, thats why i recommended it. Though you could save the 30 points and throw it elsewhere if the op doesnt feel like taking the risk.

[Squire]

Do DE still usually field a lot of dark lances? If not and they're packing a lot of venom weapons then spending points on warriors, zoanthropes and biovores could make more sense than paying for T6. Then stock up on tons of gaunts and flood the table. To be honest that is purely guesswork since I'm very out of the touch with the game and rarely faced DE back in 3rd and 4th edition. If I was facing venomspam DE (and I had enough in my collection to field only T4 and below) I'd give it a shot at least.

[0800hell]

Nice list patsfan . For dark eldar i think more swarms would be better

[Nightmare20]

Barebones tervs or no tervs as they will likely die. You are going to need a decent screen with terms and/or gargoyles. Ymgarls actually seem pretty good here as they hit hard and fast without paying a ton for a high toughness. Flyrant seems almost necessary here too...Dark Eldar are such a bad match for us... how do people find biovores?

[sketie]

He usually brings 2 ravagers with disintigrator cannons and dark lances 2 radors full of warrior with splinter racks and a venom to carry his hq and scourge with shard carbines.

last list i used he focused on my flyrant and gargoyles from first turn and by second turn they were down. my flyrant didnt manage to do anything. my terv fissled out first turn. and my guard were dead first turn

[dracospark3]

Bring a flier list. DE can't handle them. Just remember move in packs. 3 harpies and 2 flyrants are good.
Use Flyrant to pop the raiders and then use the Harpy stranglethorns to vaporize the insides. i would say have 1 harpy go with each flyrant and then send the last harpy alone to kill scourges. You can table a small army like his in 3 - 4 turns easily.

[sketie]

Thx for all the advice guys