Blinding Venom question

[ranmafan]

So I was thinking about this - the Gargoyle's Blinding Venom rule says that 'any non-vehicle model' that is hit on a 6 by a Gargoyle automatically suffers a wound 'with no separate To Wound roll necessary'.

My question: Does this mean even without Toxin Sacs, a Gargoyle can wound a Wraithlord or other T7 model if it rolls a 6 on the To-Hit roll?

[WestRider]

Yep. It's an automatic Wound, regardless of Toughness. Pretty awesome.

[nurglitch]

Makes them a great counter to enemy Monstrous Creatures.

[fleetofclaw]

That's why never ever in a billion years, or until the next codex - whichever comes first - would I waste points on hormagaunts. And that's assuming hgaunts actually get better in the next codex.


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[nurglitch]

The irony being that a unit of Hormagaunts will wipe the floor with Gargoyles in combat - that I5 means something in this edition.

[rpricew]

Gargoyles and Hormagaunts... apples & oranges

Different roles and strengths, good on their own, but better together.

[jahatch42878]

Yeah, I'm with rpricew... I tend to throw my gaunts and gargoyles at different targets at different times... even with similar sized units and points values... of course, if I can somehow get them (and some rippers swarms or shrikes) all targeting the same unit at the same time, even better... (well, maybe not a wraithlord with all of those)... but yeah, useful, just in different uses.

[guns]

I love Gargoyles, and I love this rule.

The sad thing is that when our new book comes out, I feel certain that this is one of the things that will be nerfed. Gargoyles have "Blinding Venom"... a type of venom... that blinds... and there's a Special Rule called "Blind" now. Three guesses as to what 6th edition Blinding Venom is going to do on a roll of 6.

[nurglitch]

So sad! Let's all sit around and cry like toddlers because we don't get to mash the win button!

[voncrown]

Feb 19, 2013 14:26:58 GMT nurglitch said:

So sad! Let's all sit around and cry like toddlers because we don't get to mash the win button!

Blinding venom as is is nice, but I think it's more than a stretch to say it's 'mashing the win button'.
The blind special rule in the BRB is significantly more convoluted, and less useful, than blinding venom is now (If gargoyles get BRB blind, it probably won't require a 6 to hit to activate, though).
If the change goes through like we think, gargoyles get moved from 'one of our remaining okay assault units, plus movable cover' to 'pile of wounds to suck on overwatch and maybe provide a mild debuff to something else for a second charging unit, plus movable cover'.
Not the end of the world, sure, but still, do we really need to be nerfed? Are gargoyles super overpowered or something? Certainly not in my experience.
Depends what else happens in the next codex, ultimately. I'd be willing to see the change to a more assault support role for gargoyles in the next codex as long as some of our other assault units can get a bit of a bump of their own somewhere, somehow.

[nurglitch]

Forgive my hyperbole, voncrown, for I have posted, and know not what I do.

[jahatch42878]

Maybe the Hive Fleets will bio-mutate gargoyles from Blinding Venom to Burning Venom or Rending Venom or just plain peter-parker-in-a-black-and-white-spandex-suit-from-outer-space-VENOM... (neat color scheme anyway)... and yeah, it would be wierd to make indivdiual attacks cause blindness (too much record keeping IMHO)... unless all the gargoyles spit blinding venom on the charge and potentially affected the whole unit... and then maybe that unit has a Veteran Sergeant with a Conversion Field, so you'd have blind gargoyles with blinding venom fighting blind space marines (who also were of the Salamanders Chapter, because I think there are actually blind salamanders <insert>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_blind_salamander</insert>)... or maybe that is too over the top and I should lay off the caffeine?

[nurglitch]

Feb 21, 2013 21:47:23 GMT jahatch42878 said:

Maybe the Hive Fleets will bio-mutate gargoyles from Blinding Venom to Burning Venom or Rending Venom or just plain peter-parker-in-a-black-and-white-spandex-suit-from-outer-space-VENOM... (neat color scheme anyway)... and yeah, it would be wierd to make indivdiual attacks cause blindness (too much record keeping IMHO)... unless all the gargoyles spit blinding venom on the charge and potentially affected the whole unit... and then maybe that unit has a Veteran Sergeant with a Conversion Field, so you'd have blind gargoyles with blinding venom fighting blind space marines (who also were of the Salamanders Chapter, because I think there are actually blind salamanders <insert>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_blind_salamander</insert>)... or maybe that is too over the top and I should lay off the caffeine?

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