Our codex....games workshop are you listening!!!!!

[infornography]

With as huge of a change our codex received between 4th and 5th edition, I would not be surprised to see a total revamp that leaves many of our suggestions completely outdated. I do think we are probably no more than 5 codexes down the hopper. I expect to see Eldar, Black Templar, and Tau ahead of us. Possibly also Sisters, guard, chaos demons, and/or codex:space marines.

If the rumored flyer book comes out as the rumors have claimed, then I expect Codex:Space Marines will be another year or two down the road. Guard need a couple of balance tweaks, but overall are still solid in this edition, and Sisters got a recent WD codex (that sucked), and Demons got a few much needed tweaks in WD last year, so they are all probably more backburnered but all could use attention so there is no telling what GW will do with them.

[chuckles]

Feb 14, 2013 6:16:27 GMT infornography said:

With as huge of a change our codex received between 4th and 5th edition, I would not be surprised to see a total revamp that leaves many of our suggestions completely outdated. I do think we are probably no more than 5 codexes down the hopper. I expect to see Eldar, Black Templar, and Tau ahead of us. Possibly also Sisters, guard, chaos demons, and/or codex:space marines.

If the rumored flyer book comes out as the rumors have claimed, then I expect Codex:Space Marines will be another year or two down the road. Guard need a couple of balance tweaks, but overall are still solid in this edition, and Sisters got a recent WD codex (that sucked), and Demons got a few much needed tweaks in WD last year, so they are all probably more backburnered but all could use attention so there is no telling what GW will do with them.

See I think the opposite will be true. If you look at both the Chaos Marine and Dark Angels books they were, for the most part, relatively incremental changes to how the army worked, mostly aiming to "fix" the biggest problems the books had while still feeling new. Bearing in mind that Tyranids from 3rd to 4th was a similar type of update as opposed to a complete reset, I could easily see the new book looking a lot like the current one but with some shiny new bits.

Black Templars, Eldar and Tau are the most obvious candidates for new books at this point I think, with Orks coming a little after that. I think we'll see a Tyranid update in the next couple of years, but probably not this year.

[j0rdan]

Feb 13, 2013 19:31:18 GMT swarmy said:

They have acknowledged it is a problem since 5th; That's not something they do often.

Really? Can you source that? I'd love to relate that to my friends.

[swarmy]

Feb 14, 2013 18:30:34 GMT j0rdan said:

Feb 13, 2013 19:31:18 GMT swarmy said:

They have acknowledged it is a problem since 5th; That's not something they do often.

Really? Can you source that? I'd love to relate that to my friends.

If I can find it again. It was in some interview and I'm not sure it was entirely on the subject of nids. I think it was around the time of Dark Eldar being updated.

[pom611]

the changes to nids id like to see would be:
prime getting the option of wings (maybe reducing its save by one in the proses same as warriors to srikes?)
the option for a equivalent of assault grenades for most of are units like flesh hooks used to be,
biovores gaining a sky fire option like a flack mine 36"range s7 or 8 assault 1
and venomthropes cove save ability instead of giving a straight 5+ save giving shrouded to the units around it...

[Geneva]

Feb 14, 2013 18:30:34 GMT j0rdan said:

Feb 13, 2013 19:31:18 GMT swarmy said:

They have acknowledged it is a problem since 5th; That's not something they do often.

Really? Can you source that? I'd love to relate that to my friends.

I don't have a link but I can back Swarmy up on this as I read the same article. It was a coverage article for Gamesday 2012 and both Matt Ward and Phil Kelly acknowledged the need for a Tyranid update. If I remember correctly, they said nothing was currently in the works but that they were planning to get around to it sometime in the near future. Matt seemed to be more enthusiastic about the subject than Phil. Make of that what you will.

Also, I think there was some part about how Matt really wanted to make Genestealers scary again or something.

[Lanesend]

Hmm, Matt Ward enthusiastic about Nids and wanting to make stealers scary...

Are you sure he didn't just say that to not come over as the Space Marine's Spiritual Liege anymore?

He is right though. Stealers should strike fear in the hearts of all who oppose them.

[ZergLord]

It would be about damn time to see Genestealers being actually scary. The last time I remember when Genestealers were scary was in 4th edition, but even then they were only good as a distraction since opponents always, always targeted them first and shot them to pieces before they could do anything.

And if I recall correctly, according to Yoritomo, Genestealers were borderline OP in the 2nd Ed. If at least one of them reached CC, it was Game Over for your opponent.

[ranmafan]

Well, Genestealers ARE still scary. That's why EVERYONE shoots them before they can get into CC range. The only problem now is just figuring out how to get them INTO Cc. I'm playing a LOT of Genestealer games nowadays to figure this out.

[Davor]

Feb 15, 2013 18:42:32 GMT ranmafan said:

Well, Genestealers ARE still scary. That's why EVERYONE shoots them before they can get into CC range. The only problem now is just figuring out how to get them INTO Cc. I'm playing a LOT of Genestealer games nowadays to figure this out.

You and everyone else can't figure out how to use them. That is why the "Internet" says they suck. Nobody can't adapt right now.

Compared to SM stats they are not that scary. If they were half the price, since after all they can't shoot and have a great armour save and have same or less Attacks but still cost the same if not more than a SM.

I believe they should cost 10 or 12 points compared to a regular SM which has grenades for free, ATSKNF better armour save, longer shooting range, Same Attacks if not more if they carry Single weapons witch a lot can do.

[Jabberwocky]

Some of us use Genestealers just fine.

You just can't rush them in like before. I really should write up a tactica with all these genestealer threads lately.

[yoritomo]

I don't know about borderline OP, but yeah, once a squad of stealers reached the enemy it was time to scoop. When you think of 2nd ed stealers think Marneus Calgar stat line for less than the cost of a space marine.

Part of me would like to know what exactly Matt would do to make stealers scary again. If there's one think Matt Ward can do it is make scary units.

[ranmafan]

Feb 15, 2013 20:47:06 GMT Davor said:

You and everyone else can't figure out how to use them. That is why the "Internet" says they suck. Nobody can't adapt right now.

Compared to SM stats they are not that scary. If they were half the price, since after all they can't shoot and have a great armour save and have same or less Attacks but still cost the same if not more than a SM.

I believe they should cost 10 or 12 points compared to a regular SM which has grenades for free, ATSKNF better armour save, longer shooting range, Same Attacks if not more if they carry Single weapons witch a lot can do.

Well even with a theorized list/strategy, it takes many games against varied opponents to see how it works out. It's all part of the fun of the game!

And nothing beats just watching the Broodlord in B2B contact with enemy models... *evil laughter*

[Psychichobo]

Man, Stealers in 4th were equally mental. With consolidating into combat you could walk through entire armies and with 4th ed rending it was INSANE.

[blindmage]

Feb 17, 2013 19:42:11 GMT Psychichobo said:

Man, Stealers in 4th were equally mental. With consolidating into combat you could walk through entire armies and with 4th ed rending it was INSANE.

the guy that taught me the game taught me that he could consolidate and have multiple assaults with the same unit in the assault phase if it won and could hit another...he routinely wiped out my Necrons and my friend's Tau (in one assault phase as we played on 4x4 boards) for 6 months until we could get a copy of the rules (he didn't let us use his book)...after that, consolidation was powerful, but not insane