Post by scrotatohead on Feb 7, 2013 22:18:08 GMT
Going up against an experienced player fielding Chaos Marines with Daemon allies. I expect he'll field the following:
Daemon Prince with Black Maul/Mace
Fateweaver
3x2 Obliterators
Flamers of T
Pink Horrors
Cultists
Chaos Marines, possibly in Rhinos
He won't have any Helldrakes, and might take a second Demon Prince.
So a couple questions first about Chaos:
- How many wounds do Flamers of T have? The new rule book says 1. GW site says 1. But I see people saying 2.
- Apparently the Flamer's template weapon is different than other flamers in that cover saves can't be taken against it. Is that true?
- Are all Chaos Daemon units Eternal Warrior? I know they all have invulnerable saves, but are they EW as well?
- What's the story with a Daemon Prince's Black Mace/Maul?
Here are the two lists I'm considering:
Option 1:
== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence, Old Adversary = 285 pts.
== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.
Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
Ymgarl Genestealer Brood (5) = 115 pts.
== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Cluster Spines, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught, = 210 pts.
Termagant Brood (190 pts.)
Termagant (15) - Devourer = 150 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
Tervigon (1) - Cluster Spines, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught, = 210 pts.
Termagant Brood (10) - Devourer = 100 pts.
== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (20) - AG, Toxin Sacs = 160 pts.
== Total ==
1500 pts.
Option 2
== HQ ==
Swarmlord Brood (410 pts.)
Swarmlord (1) = 280 pts.
Tyrant Guard (2) - Lash Whip = 130 pts.
== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.
Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Cluster Spines, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught = 210 pts.
Termagant Brood (170 pts.)
Termagant (13) - Devourer = 130 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (13) = 78 pts.
== Heavy Support ==
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.
== Total ==
1498 pts.
I've only played against Chaos Daemons once, never against Marines. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
Daemon Prince with Black Maul/Mace
Fateweaver
3x2 Obliterators
Flamers of T
Pink Horrors
Cultists
Chaos Marines, possibly in Rhinos
He won't have any Helldrakes, and might take a second Demon Prince.
So a couple questions first about Chaos:
- How many wounds do Flamers of T have? The new rule book says 1. GW site says 1. But I see people saying 2.
- Apparently the Flamer's template weapon is different than other flamers in that cover saves can't be taken against it. Is that true?
- Are all Chaos Daemon units Eternal Warrior? I know they all have invulnerable saves, but are they EW as well?
- What's the story with a Daemon Prince's Black Mace/Maul?
Here are the two lists I'm considering:
Option 1:
== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence, Old Adversary = 285 pts.
== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.
Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
Ymgarl Genestealer Brood (5) = 115 pts.
== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Cluster Spines, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught, = 210 pts.
Termagant Brood (190 pts.)
Termagant (15) - Devourer = 150 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
Tervigon (1) - Cluster Spines, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught, = 210 pts.
Termagant Brood (10) - Devourer = 100 pts.
== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (20) - AG, Toxin Sacs = 160 pts.
== Total ==
1500 pts.
Option 2
== HQ ==
Swarmlord Brood (410 pts.)
Swarmlord (1) = 280 pts.
Tyrant Guard (2) - Lash Whip = 130 pts.
== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.
Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Cluster Spines, AG, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught = 210 pts.
Termagant Brood (170 pts.)
Termagant (13) - Devourer = 130 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (13) = 78 pts.
== Heavy Support ==
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.
== Total ==
1498 pts.
I've only played against Chaos Daemons once, never against Marines. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.