2k / 1850 competition list

[papabearcpl]

Hello all, I have been out of the 40k world for a couple years and I am coming back with the great devourer! The following is my list that I would like to use competitively. This list is 2k, i would drop 1 unit of hive guard for 1850. Please let me know what you think!

HQ
Hive Tyrant
w/ heavy venom cannon

ELITES
Hive guardx3

Hive guardx3

TROOPS
Tyranid Warriorsx5
w/ venom cannon
w/ deathspitterx4

Tyranid Warriorsx5
w/ venom cannon
w/ deathspitterx4

Tyranid Warriorsx5
w/ venom cannon
w/ deathspitterx4

Genestealer Broodx17
w/ broodlord

Hormagauntsx30

Termagauntsx30

FAST ATTACK
Spore mine clusterx3

Spore mine clusterx3

HEAVY SUPPORT
Tyrannofex
w/ Rupture cannon


The spore mine clusters will be used to disrupt enemy deployment. I know this list is kind of warrior heavy, but I believe that the units are big enough to take a beating and I believe that I need the extra synapse. I am not a fan of over upgrading units like the gaunts and that's why a lot of units are pretty plain but there are a lot of them! Please let me know what you think!

[carlisle25]

Does your Hive Tyrant have Wings? Also S8+ weapons may be a problem for your Warriors.

[roxor08]

Yeah, I would mention that this seems like a 4th edition list...

I will say that with the changes that 6th edition brought, most meta games have changed to involve *less* S8 shooting, and more S7 weapons.

Genestealers got KILLED this edition with the addition of overwatch meaning they melt to bolter fire. Venom cannons on Hive Tyrants are deemed worthless and you're better off spending the points elsewhere. That being said, a walking tyrant, with no guards is a unit that will die turn 1 if your opponents are smart (and competitively they better be). Winged Tyrants with 2 sets of TL-devourers are the mainstay of most competitive armies of this edition.

Tyrannofex....rupture cannon...kinda regarded just as useless as a venom cannon. 2 shots at BS 3 and S10 is nothing if they both miss.

I like the hormagaunts, big units can deal the pain, but you have no units to support them (or add buffs of any type). Without FnP or Preferred Enemy, most of your weight of attacks are wasted because you'll die off/lose combat.

Tyranid warrior units? I can't say I like them, but I would suggest combining them into 1 big unit and dropping the 3rd unit. Yeah you lose a venom cannon, but they are lackluster anyways.

Suggestions: Either drop the Tyrant for a Tyranid prime and a Flyrant with TL-Devoureres and Old adversary. Stick Prime with Hormagaunt unit with a LW/BS. Now you can add Old adversary from Flyrant and you have a devastating unit to address. More importantly, you can do significant damage to deathstars with that unit because your Prime can challenge and cause instant death.

Next, drop the Tyrannofex for a Tervigon. For the love of god, AT LEAST 1!! Take all 3 psychic powers, TS + AG and attempt to get Iron arm or Endurance. This way you can cast endurance on that same Hormagaunt unit, or if you get Iron Arm, buff up the Tervigon itself. Now not only can you spawn gant units, but you don't have to "waste" points upgrading them.

Next, drop the genestealers for another Tervigon. (remember to take Tervigons as troops you will need to take 1 termagant unit for each Tervigon so I'd suggest breaking up the large Termagant unit into 2 groups of 15)

Next, drop the spore mines...thats 60 points to POSSIBLY affect deployment, but in reality they aren't anything to be afraid of, any smart player will ignore them completely. SOOOOO you should have some points left over for Ymargl genestealers. Now THOSE things DO affect opponent deployment because they know you have them, they know you have to deploy them in cover (but not exactly where) AND they can assault the turn they come out of dormant. These WILL affect deployment because your opponent will have to A) deploy units so they blanket all possible area terrain or B) Stay far away from area terrain (at least 12") to avoid them from assaulting them.

I hope you don't take this in a bad way, and I tried to maintain some of your list integrity, but as it is now, it isn't competitive. Take the suggestions for what they are, and most importantly play test your lists! That's the only surefire way to know if your list is competitive or not.

Cheers!

[papabearcpl]

Roxor08, you don't have to worry about being mean or whatever lol. I posted here FOR criticism because I haven't played competitively in about six years. So your statement that it looks more like a 4th addition list is probably spot on!

I have done some playing with my friends screwing around with new units like the Tervigon and although I haven't used one myself, they seemed pretty ineffective between rolling doubles and other players having psychic hoods, etc. I do notice that a lot of lists on this forum are based around a couple of them. Maybe my faith is misplaced in the strong warrior units, they have just been so effective in the past but I realize that we are no longer in the past.

Without the heavy venom cannon and or rupture cannon how do you pop tanks? All melee or nothing? I've seen pure melee bugs in tournaments in the past get demolished every time they encounter a skimmer, like Monoliths so I was trying to give myself SOME tank popping potential.

I truly appreciate all of the critiques and suggestions! I need to think about whether I can put my faith in Tervigons.

[ilovedakka]

That's a LOT of warriors you have in there. To answer your question about how to deal with tanks, maybe drop one of the groups of warriors and replace it with a brood of zoanthropes in a spore. Drop them near any armour and you can pretty much kiss those monoliths goodbye. St 10 Lances are nothing to scoff at