Origin of the Ymgarl Genestealers

[sporeman0]

My theory is that they are regular 'stealers which were taken over by Khorne and his minions. Think about it. It does make sense.

[Col]

I figure they're just some mutation that the Tyranids decided not to continue production on, such as the Doom of Malan'Tai, the Parasite of Mortrex or the Red Terror.

[Deadlink]

First off,we know what the stealers are. An adaptation of the common genestealer that is too unstable and was not reabsorbed because of it. The big part of the story we don't know is that they were thought to be native to the moons of yamgarl, but their tyranid. so the Imperium believe that the tyranids might of passed through before or something??

Also Col Doom is not hive's making. its a Zoan that got high of Eldar magic stones or something and went nuts. Parasite is a tyranid creation but I don't know why fluff wise it isnt used again. The red terror is just a tyranid that was left behind and contiues to survive on its own, it is either a Trygon ravenor or has evolved on its own to something different.

Deadlink97~

[Nightmare20]

A common theory is that the genestealers became highly mutable due to chaos influence. Sure, could be Khorne. Or Nurgle. Hell, Tzeench makes sense. Change and all that jazz, right?

But it is never said WHAT caused the mutations so if you want Chaos themed stealers, I think that would be cool.

[sporeman0]

I'm saying that it was probably Khorne becauae the ymgarl 'stealers have a blood lust. By the way deadlink97, the DoM is a tyranid creation and it is a zoanthrope, but it's an adaption to take on the eldar. Read it's entry in the codex...

[Nightmare20]

Jan 20, 2013 8:39:16 GMT sporeman0 said:

I'm saying that it was probably Khorne becauae the ymgarl 'stealers have a blood lust. By the way deadlink97, the DoM is a tyranid creation and it is a zoanthrope, but it's an adaption to take on the eldar. Read it's entry in the codex...

Well, all genestealers are bloodthirsty bastards but the codex mostly emphasizes their desire to return to the hive unlike standard ones who flee with the arrival of the hive fleet. The fact that they are highly mutable points me more towards tzeench as ferocity is a common trait among tyranids, especially genestealers.

[gabbi]

actual Tyranids fluff does not make sense to me. there are whole ideas I toally hate. first of all the seeming overpower of Hive Mind in manipulating biomatters that doesn.t match with other parts. I mean, you're so skilled you can get an Oak and make it in a Termagant but don't absorb back Ymgarls because you fear they can compromise the genetic code of the whole fleet? LoL! When stripping planets a fleet absorbs everything, every kind of life form: bacteria, viruses, mutants, psykers, daemons... no problem in assimilating them... but no, Ymgarl no.
also, Codex states any fleet can duplicate renowned specimens (DoM, Swarmlord, PoM, Old One Eye, etc) so why just one? Why not deploy a horde of DoMs? Also, given the skill in manipulating biomatter, looks funny to me that you're unable to replicate OOE without the eye scar

Obviously, I can understand why some choices are made (special characters have to be one of a kind, while the OOE scar is characterful), but fluff should be coherent and believable (once one accept we're talking about bio-enginereed alien dino-insects), should be fun to read, and bond a player with his little plastic toys. if it's written by a drunken monkey, it would be better to not have it at all...

[sporeman0]

It does specifically say in the Ymgarl 'stealers' entry that they need blood or they die.
also, have tyranids ever consumed daemons? Not as far as I know.

[retnab]

I don't think that it'd be possible, the whole being from an immaterial plane and basically made of emotion bit and all. Doesn't sound like there's much actual meat on those emotion bones.

[Nightmare20]

Jan 20, 2013 17:11:56 GMT retnab said:

I don't think that it'd be possible, the whole being from an immaterial plane and basically made of emotion bit and all. Doesn't sound like there's much actual meat on those emotion bones.

Yeah, that's the whole basis for my hive fleet. They got sucked up into a warp storm and go into hibernation to reserve energy and biomass, and to avoid the attention of daemons because they can't eat them. Of course being stuck in the warp for centuries away from the protection of the hive mind inevitably leaves them twisted. Once they emerge from the warp the hive mind reestablishes control.

[wisdomseyes1]

Chaos influence makes sense. The original post doesn't portray what was trying to be said very well so I just abandon the thread at first I am sorry to say.

All tyranids have bloodlust. All daemons do, as well.

Chaos influence is actually a really good reason. That never did make sense to me before. "they are too unstable int heir mutations to risk being brought back into the hive" well, you mutated them didnt you?

[gabbi]

Jan 20, 2013 16:32:02 GMT sporeman0 said:

It does specifically say in the Ymgarl 'stealers' entry that they need blood or they die.

so? assimilating them to make something else shouldn't be a problem...

also, have tyranids ever consumed daemons? Not as far as I know.

nor did I, but don't they absorb everything remains after a battle? nontheless the point remains: why absorbing a mutant, or a Chaos Spawn and not a mutated Genestealer? or Tyranids don't absorb them neither..? I don't read BL stuff, so maybe I'm not the most up to date expert of Tyranids biology and behaviour, but afaik they're not a picky race... =)

[wisdomseyes1]

Jan 20, 2013 18:31:09 GMT gabbi said:

Jan 20, 2013 16:32:02 GMT sporeman0 said:

It does specifically say in the Ymgarl 'stealers' entry that they need blood or they die.

so? assimilating them to make something else shouldn't be a problem...

The point was to relate them to Khorne.

also, have tyranids ever consumed daemons? Not as far as I know.

nor did I, but don't they absorb everything remains after a battle? nontheless the point remains: why absorbing a mutant, or a Chaos Spawn and not a mutated Genestealer? or Tyranids don't absorb them neither..? I don't read BL stuff, so maybe I'm not the most up to date expert of Tyranids biology and behaviour, but afaik they're not a picky race... =)

Daemons aren't usually "left over". When a daemon dies in the mortal world, it is sent back to the warp and spends an unknown amount of warptime reforming.

The only time a daemon dies and stays dead is if it is killed in the warp.

[yoritomo]

You're forgetting one important fact. In order to be touched by chaos you have to have emotions. Tyranids don't hate so they can't be influenced by Khorne.

[Psychichobo]

Arguably hate may be an emotion that is engineered into the Nid psyche though, to reinforce and empower their viciousness. I am talking about a base animal's hate here as opposed to a complex human understanding of hate, but Genestealers are also very close to other species in their design, since they're essentially mind-controlling world-dominating vanguard units.

Think of the Stealer Cults. That much interaction with human DNA could potentially lead to an extreme case such as the Ymgarl stealers - and considering they were the first Stealers properly recorded it's possible their separation from a parent fleet has led to some unwanted developments.