1000 Death Guard

[plasmodium]

My Black Templar friend wants to play a small game with my CSM so here is the list I made for it.

HQ
Lord-MoN, Termie armor( Combi-melta, chainfist), Vet, Gift, Blight grenades
ELITE
5xTerminators-MoN, Reaper autocannon, 2 Chainfists, Combi melta, combi flamer
TROOP
10x Plague Marines-2x Meltas, Power weapon, Rhino
10x Plague Marines-2x Meltas, Power weapon

C&C please

[bebe]

Honestly ... it is not a very good list. You are spending a lot of points on just 26 models. If your opponent brings any large template weapons - vindicator/plasma cannons/etc. you are toast. Even heavy dakka can hurt you. I know the 26 models are tough but you could field a list like this and run over most opponents at 1000

Typhus with 27 Plague Zombies 354 - this will be a tough unit to deal with and will front your PMs

2x 7 Plague Marines; 2 Plasmaguns; Icon of Despair; Champion; Power Axe; Meltabomb; Gift of Mutation 446 - gift of mutation is a near auto-include in chaos lists now

Forgefiend; 3 Ectoplasma Cannons 200 - this guy wreaks face at 1000

now you could add a melta to each plague squad if you are worried but I think that plasma is far better at 1000 points. This list has 43 models ... quite a difference.


--edited for grammer --

[ZergLord]

Bebe, your list is worse than his. His list just needs some tweaks to make it better.

-Why the hell would you take an Icon which grants Fear against an army which is immune to fear?
-Not only do you have less Plague Marines, but they're also overpriced for a 1000 pt game.
-Zombies are gimmicky at best. I don't know if you played Tyranids in 4th edition, but having units who work only in CC and move only 6" per movement phase sucks hard. They will never reach CC unless the opponent is braindead.
-only 1 Forgefiend and no other mech isn't going to impress anyone.
-Seriously, that Icon.

All that plasmodium needs to do is:
-give Combi plasma to all of his terminators, only 1 chainfist (if he really wants it) the rest are powerweapons;
-dump Rhino and Power weapons, split Plague Marines into 3 units of 7, or even 4 units of 5. In any case, 2x Plasmaguns for each unit.

[bebe]

Should be VotlW not Icon ... I wrote it quickly. And those two squads - like his two squads are basically fine.

Zombies at 1000 points work well. Taking down 27 Zombies at that point range is not a small task. They become a threat even if they never get into combat and if they do - well Typhus.

Yes one Forgefiend like he has one rhino. It will do plenty of damage at only 1000 points against BT. Have you faced triple ectoplasmas? Now would I use an FF in larger games? Absolutely not. The Predator, Oblits and Havocs would all be better. At 1000? Why not?

The problem remains with OP's list - two few models on the table. I would not run 26-27 models at 1000 - It's just too few. You need something to buffer your troops.

[jahatch42878]

I don't know if the issue is really the # of models... I mean, everything being T5 is nice... you could re-arrange the squads (as mentioned above) and take a horde of cultists if you wanted too (not necessarily plague zombies) just for screening some guys or squatting on an objective...

also, I agree that I'd prefer to see plasma instead of meltaguns unless you know you have a heavily mechanized enemy... I guess a mix would be okay but I kinda prefer 2 of the same to guarantee getting the job done and not having to agonize over which models is slightly closer to the enemy in case they get hit badly at range.

What about saving a few points and taking a Chaos Sorcerer with MoN instead of Chaos Lord? 1 less wound, not as good in melee, but saves you a few points if you are looking to add cultists or tweek special weapons...

And as far as forgefiend vs rhinos/etc I think it depends on if your friend wants heavy firepower or close range nurgle marines... the forgefiend is great vs other MEQ but obviously one lucky lascannon shot can take him out in turn 1... the single rhino probably isn't getting very far, but what do you expect for 35 pts?

I mean, if we really want to play with an elite nurgle force, where are the T6 bikers? =p