Rumoured Tyranid Releases (Updated 8/1/13)

[lordbob]

Jan 6, 2013 11:00:39 GMT gazick said:

if ward is writing the dex, then say hi to overpowered nyds and good bye to whatever nice fluff we had. Probably there will be a nice history about how the necrons and ultrasmurfs joined to hive fleet rapetastic and together did acts of unspeakably horror to some sisters of battle, just in time for the gray knights to appear and give them a pair of thumbs up

As opposed to the great fluff we have now?

True, ward shouldn't write fluff, although it would be nice to read a nid codex where the nids actually win a battle; but he writes an internally balanced codex. I always say that if all the codexes were written by ward then they'd all be balanced.

I think warriors just need to be T5 2W, they're not invulnerable, but atleast they're not being made redundant by powerfist and missile launchers

[halos]

I don't think Ward has ever written a non-power armour codex?

Heh, what's the betting he slaps Warriors with a 3+ save, gotta write what you know right?

More seriously; I don't think Wards writing translates particularly well to Tyranids, he writes over the top prose about mighty heroes and such (albeit not particularly well) which is something the Tyranids don't really have.

To give my thoughts in these rumours, I think it's not unreasonable to assume there's a Harpy/possible dual-kit ready for release at some stage, with some WD rules probably. Although if they are holding out for a new codex then said kit may be held back til that is released.
The talk of multi-unit kits seems dumb. Raveners already got a new plastic box, GW would likely not want to break down those molds after a scant few years. Warriors/Lictors/Zoanthropes doesn't work; those models are not really similar in any way, and they'd be missing out on adding Shrikes to the box for no real reason. Zoanthropes/Venomthropes is the more likely alternative I think.

[ZergLord]

I don't think Wards writing translates particularly well to Tyranids, he writes over the top prose about mighty heroes and such (albeit not particularly well) which is something the Tyranids don't really have.

I would like to point out that Ward also wrote the fluff in the WHFB Daemon book, an army that also lacks heroes, and the fluff was very good. They're not like Nids who don't have any real characters at all, but almost all Daemon characters aren't really that important and the fluff doesn't revolve around them - if you excluded most of them, their fluff wouldn't take a big hit. They're there just to add extra flavour.

In fact, the Daemon fluff is very similarly written like the Tyranid one: it is written almost entirely from the perspective of the races who fought Daemons, and it depicts Daemons as a huge and horrible threat that can never be truly killed or stopped (sounds familiar?).

[DarkGuard]

Why have we gone from discussing a set of (most likely untrue) rumours to Ward bashing? I didn't see Ward's name in that article, so why bring him up? Pointless really.

[lordbob]

What relevance could a codex writer have to rumours (however untrue they may be) about a possible codex? And discussing the merits of said codex writer writing said codex.

More point than chiming in about the thread not having a point and not actually contributing. No one is bashing Ward, he has strengths and weaknesses.

[retnab]

Jan 6, 2013 12:19:54 GMT halos said:

More seriously; I don't think Wards writing translates particularly well to Tyranids, he writes over the top prose about mighty heroes and such (albeit not particularly well) which is something the Tyranids don't really have.

I'm really hoping if he does start talking about the heroics of the unique Tyranid units we would actually get PoM, DoM, and Warrior Prime models. Having the Red Terror start existing again would be nice too.

[Davor]

I totaly forgot to comment about the multi kits. Right there, I would have to call the rumours false.

Maybe I finally agree with Yori now, and don't believe any rumours anymore.

[killercroc]

Honestly, I don't care about fluff! We can choose to just ignore it, heck, we already have 3 other books as fluff reference or we can just write our own. But what would be nice is to have an OP army or at the least a powerful army like other people. I mean compared to IG, GK, SW, BA our codex is very poor. It's like whenever someone picks up a Nid codex then have to play with a huge crutch. Now don't get me wrong I win a lot with my Tyranids but it took me plenty of losing games to find out how to play, and even then I have to fight a lot harder for my victory than any other army does.

[WestRider]

Natfka has generally been pretty accurate close to release, but some of the stuff he had in advance of the Chaos release was still inaccurate. Even some stuff that got posted within a couple of weeks of the release.

Anything this far in advance is to be taken with a big pinch of salt. Heck, it may be true now, but still subject to change depending on where they are in the process.

[coredump]

Rumors about a dex coming out in the next couple of months is *very* different than rumors about a dex coming out in almost a year.

Faet has had some good hits, and some very wrong hits......

[Deleted]

I wish we could get fluff that was more focused on the biology and observations of Tyranids and a helluva lot less battle stories. I mean, the only way one could tell a story of battling Tyranids is if they beat the Tyranids and I don't wanna buy a Tyranid Codex to read about them losing. I'd like more FW flavored stuff, good art of biomorphs and Tyranid Variants, autopsies, etc. That would keep them alien and utterly inhuman.

And rumors are rumors, who cares. the only things I'd count on from those rumors are ones that you could see comin from a mile away anyhow. Harpy/"Hydra" kit, is pretty obvious as is the Biovore/Pyrovore kit. Why have two separate models when you can put both in one box? Lowers cost and then you don't have to worry about (please do not swear) unit rules screwing sales. Look at Tfex, not many people use him but everyone uses Tervigons so despite Tfex's doodoo rules he still sells.

[Hive Carnithrope]

Noooo! Ward!

Prepare for the Nid/Tau Alliance crushing the Imperium.

Hydra sounds cool. Always interested in new kits. Prime and Shryke kits sounds nice.

But the combo kits? Having trouble believing those. Why release a Prime and Shryke kit separate and having a Warrior/Zoan kit. They aren't even very similar. And Ravener/Venoms aren't that similar either.

If they were going to combine kits, the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard works, then Warrior/Prime/Shryke and Venom/Zoan. Raveners on their own.

A very large pinch, I think, since most rumours are wrong or a bit off.

[Davor]

Hehe, Ward writing the codex. This I can handle, just because I am tired of reading all the Nids loosing all the time, but yet they keep creeping in. Will all the loses, how on earth are they still creeping in?

At least Ward is something different. It's not like it can get anyworse from what we got from Cruddence. Fluff wise, who cares, I am talking game wise. Fluff wise made me have not much fun playing, so I will take Ward over Cruddence any day.

@helios, Ward wrote the Necron codex. Is that considered PA?

[biomassbob]

Certainly a large dose of salt with this, but speculating, I was hoping that Phil Kelly would do the next nid dex. If Ward is actually the lead nid dex writer yes I have some reservations. I hope the dex is internally balanced and that any OP stuff is something that can be easily ignored (like Kelly's JOTWWS - if you think it is OP as SW player don't use that power - there are many other good choices). Not a unit I like using becoming OP so that just taking it brings out the cheese cloth labels.

I'm not a fan of the army in synapse having EW - if used it has to be very careful. I prefer T4 critters like warriors and raveners being T5 and 2W with a slight point decrease. I think the combo-kits listed are a mess, probably mistaken and unlikely for the most part because of the reasons others have stated.

I would like to see the stats lines be altered to more reflect what the creatures do/represent, their likely proficiency and so that it makes sense. A hormagaunt, as simply a straight CC critter should have a WS of 4, not 3 like a termagant for example. I just hope some serious thought goes into the army and brings us away from the direction that Cruddace took the nids. IMO, Swarmlord should be gone and be an upgrade of the tyrant. No 'only one in the universe' silliness. And make the hive tyrant into what it is supposed to be - the main leader best - essence of the hive mind and all that. A tervigon has better psychic powers and can have a longer synapse range than a tyrant. Tyrant should be 18" synapse/SITW automatically and the tervigon 12" max. Oops - slipped into wishlisting - better stop now.

[Xantige]

I quirked an eyebrow when I read that short little article. It all sounded just too much in our favor. Not that that's a bad thing, everyone seems to think and say that nids need some tweeks, buffs and upgrades, but it was just... too much... Everyone has been screaming for a harpy kit, a Prime kit, a Warrior box with all the fixings, GW Shrikes, the return of EW...

Although, I'd laugh if the only thing true about this rumor was the nonsensical combo kits. I can only imagine what a model would look like if it's base parts had to pass for a Warrior, Zoey and/or a Lictor!