trygon prime

[hiveman]

what works best with trygon prime deepstrikng, or walking across board ,what peoples experiences with them

[DarkGuard]

I don't deep strike him, doing so turns him into a massive target and he can't assault.

He's fast, so walking him is generally fine, try to get FnP on him to help keep him alive.

[hiveman]

yes iv only ever deepstriked with him and he gets shot up before i get to assault , are they betta in pairs

[Jabberwocky]

Like most MCs, they are vastly better in pairs. Few armies can handle 2 hitting them at once and few can bring down both before either hit, without dedicating all their shooting to them.

[DarkGuard]

I wish I had a pair of them. Would make things so much easier and more fun. Except for transport....

[infornography]

Here is how it breaks down in my experience.

If you are bringing in a lot of things from reserve and have the reserve roll bonus from Hive Commander or Swarmlord then deep strike it.

If you are only bringing in a couple of things from reserve and/or do not have a reserve roll bonus, walk him.

When a whole lot of high threat units are showing up in your enemy's back line on turn 2 you can much more easily afford to deep strike him because it will divide your enemy's attention, and if they DO focus all their fire on the trygon, then all the rest of your units will be able to assault unmolested the next turn. Even by sacrificing the big guy you win in the long run as he takes a LOT of firepower to burn down. If you don't have a lot of emerging high threat units coming out at the same time, you are basically wasting his potential sacrifice and just handing your opponent the chance to deal with him when you can't capitalize on their attention being diverted.

Hope this makes sense.

[hiveman]

yea looks like I'm gonna try walking 2 trygons across the board,picked out usually when deep striking rarely making points back,thanks for advice makes allot of sense

[killercroc]

Honestly it seems like Deep striking is the better option. Look at it this way, if you deep strike you show up, get shot at for one turn, then get to assault. If you're walking across the board you're looking at like... 2-3 turns being shot at before assault. But if anything do take them in pairs because two big baddies deep striking in on the same turn would cause chaos.

[baconslice]

If you play Dawn of war, it's easy to footslog, but when it's hammer and anvil. I like to deep strike. But as above, I do in pairs with reserve bonus.

[coredump]

Jan 5, 2013 13:24:13 GMT hiveman said:

yes iv only ever deepstriked with him and he gets shot up before i get to assault , are they betta in pairs

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[DarkGuard]

Jan 6, 2013 17:24:27 GMT killercroc said:

Honestly it seems like Deep striking is the better option. Look at it this way, if you deep strike you show up, get shot at for one turn, then get to assault. If you're walking across the board you're looking at like... 2-3 turns being shot at before assault. But if anything do take them in pairs because two big baddies deep striking in on the same turn would cause chaos.

Those two big baddies may well divert firepower from more valuable assets in your army if you walk them, such as your Tyrant, Tervigon, Ravs and Warriors if you use them. Nothing like a massive, deadly combat monster to draw firepower away.

[hiveman]

hello hive, just a thought because raveners are beasts, do they ignore terrain for assault purposes too? striking at normal initiative.

[ziggythetrygon]

I actually like to use them in triplicate, or switch one out for a Tervigon.

My strategy breaks down like so:

The center of the army starts around the Swarmlord with full Tyrant Guard. In front of him is the Doom of Malantai and a Hive Guard, then a tervigon/trygon depending on what I want to do. If it's a tervigon, I pop gaunts to either nab objectives quickly when I'm near them, or soak up overwatch or divert any incoming assaulters. The Doom does what the Doom does when we hit the lines.

On either side, I have a swarm of hormagaunts, back up by a trygon and a pair of zoanthropes, as well as a Hive Guard. These come up the other sections of the board, and the three sections basically storm up the field. Alongside this, I have free-wheeling gargoyle swarms backed up by a flyrant to intercept tough nuts or hit harder areas of resistance. Meanwhile, my three squads of stealers with Broodlord commandos in each eat whatever they can get their hands on.

[DarkGuard]

Jan 7, 2013 15:50:27 GMT hiveman said:

hello hive, just a thought because raveners are beasts, do they ignore terrain for assault purposes too? striking at normal initiative.

Nope, as per the Nid FAQ I believe. They still only roll 2D6 re-rolling for their assault move, but if they go through terrain they strike at I1.

[tyrantosaurus]

I usually run mine as a deep-striking pair. The lightning bolts from the Prime usually will kill a few models and if nothing else they take the pressure off of my poor Tervigon. Even experienced players will start to get edgy with Trygons bursting out near them and they HAVE to dedicate firepower to bringing them down, the models are fairly intimidating. Footslogging does work alright, but if you do I would suggest taking regeneration for the chance to try and regain any wounds you take from lascannons, krak missiles, etc...The Trygon WILL be a massive target and most of the time your opponent will open fire on it on turn one. Had a game against Tau once where I took five railgun wounds on turn one...and rolled five sixes for regen.