1000 pts vs. DE

[undertow92182]

Ok, be brutal here because I want to learn.


==HQ==

Flyrant - Old Adversary, Wings, 2 Biomancy powers, TL Devourer w/ BLW, HVC
(I know, I normally skip the HVC but it is effective anti-transport and anti-air.. which DE bring a lot of.)

==Elites==

3 Hive Guard
(Ideally I'd like to field more, but this is all I currently own)

==Troops==

10 Devilgants in Mycetic Spore w/ TL Deathspitter

11 Termagants

Tervigon - Toxin sacs, Dominion, Catalyst, Stinger Salvo

3 Tyranid Warriors - Deathspitters
(Bring backfield Synapse for the Hive Guard and extra wounds to eat some shots while also dishing out S5 shots themselves which at least have a chance to glance.)

==Fast==

10 Gargoyles
(Screening for Flyrant and to make good use of Old Adversary)

Total: 1000

I know this list isn't optimal.. but do you think I'm doomed from the start or stand a chance?

[FTGTEvan]

DE are a tough match-up for us; they have a lot of poisoned shooting and availability of S8 guns to mow down Warriors. Fortunately most of their vehicles are going to be AV10. As such, I might be inclined to take 2 TL Devs for the Flyrant just for volume of shots. Also, not sure if Old Adversary will be all that valuable (if you run 2 TL devs). Dropping that could get you 5 more vanilla gants for cannon fodder.

I also might suggest dropping the deathspitters on the warriors and running them vanilla since what you intend to use them for is liable to leave them out of range, and DE make a mess of them, so don't want to drop too many points in them. Use those 15 points to give a third power to the terv and roll on biomancy.

I don't have too much experience myself, so I could be way off base, but I think this list gives you a shot, which, as I said, is often the best you can hope for against DE.

[GuardDog78]

Biovores are also a great option once you pop those transports...they tend to make DE cry since you wound on 3+ and deny a lot of their armor...

[undertow92182]

Those are some great points. And after a talk I had with a space marines veteran friend of mine I recompiled my list.

==HQ==

Flyrant - Wings, 2 Biomancy Powers, 2x TL Devs w/ BLW

== Elites==

3 Hive Guard
1 Zoanthrope (Synapse, is more durable, AND can lance at their vehicles.. much more bang for the points over the warriors)

==Troops==

10 Devilgants in Mycetic Spore
15 Termagants
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, 3 Biomancy Powers, Stinger Salvo

==Fast Attack==

10 Gargoyles (I'm wondering if their screening is really worth their points.. but at just 60 points it's hard to argue with a unit that can do a decent job of keeping pace with the Flyrant until it starts swooping)

==Heavy Support==

Biovore

Total: 1000

My space marine friend really tried to push me toward getting a foot slogging tyrant with two tyrant guard.. get the armor upgrade and simply rush through their shooting. Is there any validity to that tactic against DE?

[FTGTEvan]

I would stick with the Flyrant. If you took the armored tyrant, I'd suggest a longer range gun, but generally think you would lose effectiveness. Also, if the DE dark lance/blaster spams, your 2+ won't matter anyhow.

Part of what makes DE hellish is their speed and ability to keep you out of range with that speed. A flyrant negates that speed and maneuverability to a large degree by being able to outpace their transports and get in range no matter where he moves.