Best 750 list to use in a Doubles tournament

[polkadragon]

Hi all, I need some collective wisdom.

Beginning of 2013 I'll be participating in a 2vs2 doubles tournament, rules as follows:

* 750 points each.
* Only 1 FOC per couple.
* Each players brings at least 1 HQ and 1 Troop choice.
* Each couple needs to bring a different army!
* Ally rules are used, except Tyranids can ally with anyone, but under the 'Desperate Allies' rule.

So basically, I need to make a 750 list and make it as compatible with my desperate ally (race is not known yet, but feel free to give suggestions as guys from the LGS have a bunch of races available). Obviously, Desperate Allies is a big disadvantage, and I'd like to make the list to offset this if possible (one goes offensive, one defensive?).

Ideas in my head:
* Genestealer or Drop list combined with Imperial Guard shooty list?
* Tyranid defensive list (Tervigons?) combined with Grey Knights offensive list?

All suggestions welcome!

[Jabberwocky]

Being desperate, avoid Eldar as an ally as runes will hurt you too.

A drop list could work well with IG as you can literally stop the enemy coming any closer or even block off their retreat.

At just 750, I'd maybe go Terv HQ, Terv troop, 2 small devilgant units in spores and a Broodlord commando to i.infiltrate and hold the line.

[polkadragon]

Thanks for your input. Wouldn't that leave the drop gaunts outside of Synpase though, with the Tervigons footslogging it at the other side of the table?

[GuardDog78]

Terv & gant troops work for either offensive or deffensive...always safe to take. Nothing says mess with your opponent like a devourer/flyrant...

[rampagingfex]

If you can't have two Tyranid armies, then team with Orks.

Both armies take lots of models, and then split the playing field in half (to limit the desperate allies thing) and swamp your opponents in guys. A couple mobs of 30 Shoota boys advancing and a couple squads of Lootas laying covering fire at the same time as 2-3 Tervigons are spawning legions of gants seems like a fun game. Tervigons are amazing at low-point games and since nobody can have more than one Army of Tyranid you should definately capitalize on that fact. You are basically playing against a 1500 point army that MUST have 2 HQs ... that means there won't be too much really hard hitting stuff. I'd definately plan something to take advantage of Tervigon and to me that means overwhelming the enemy shooting with sheer number of bodies.

Here's something quick that I would consider. Also thought about playing 3rd Tervigon, Doom in a pod, or just a giant pile of hormogaunts instead of the Y-stealers but I think the surprise threat of a serious assault unit like that could be a game winner in such a format. I don't know... 3 Tervigons would be really hard to deal with though, so maybe consider that if you have the models.

HQ = 1x Tervigon with toxin sacs and Catalyst
Troop = 10x termagants
Troop = 1x Tervigon with toxin sacs and Catalyst
Fast = 17x gargoyles with toxin
Elite = 1x hive Guard
Elite = 7x Y-stealers

-RF

[Jabberwocky]

Dec 30, 2012 20:02:53 GMT polkadragon said:

Thanks for your input. Wouldn't that leave the drop gaunts outside of Synpase though, with the Tervigons footslogging it at the other side of the table?

Since you don't test for IB when you drop, you have 2-3 turns to get a Terv into position. If the gants do fall back, they likely fall back into synapse anyway.

[coredump]

I would talk with the TO, because his rules are specifically screwing over any Nid players. He is forcing you to play with harsh Deparate Ally rules, and that is messed up.

I would ask him to either allow Nids to team with Nids, o to at least lessen the penalties for playing Desparate Allies.

[polkadragon]

Well technically since they're using Allies, the TO has already 'relaxed' the rules towards Tyranids, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to play at all.

But I understand what you're saying, gotta admit I haven't looked at Desperate Allies yet, is it truly that bad? (Have mostly ignored the whole ally thing so far because it's never been relevant for Nids -till now)

[polkadragon]

And fwiw I have talken to the TO about it and he can't really change it for this edition of the tourny.

So I can either choose not to participate or make a list to minimize the penalties.

I'm considering to take a full a 'reserve/drop' list and just dump my entire 750 points in the opposing deployment zone, any thoughts on that?

So what could we take for such a list?

- Doom of Malanthai + Spore
- Ymgarls Genestealers
- A brood of commando Genestealers + Broodlord because I need troops as well...

Any other suggestions?