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[papacheese]

Alright, had some questions/wanted some opinions.

I will be taking on my friend (orks) and his girlfriend (SM), they will be running 1500 pt armies and I will be doing a 3000 pt army. It will be extermination (I think? No objectives, just kill points). We have wanted to do something like this since I got my codex and read "the scuttling hoard". Here is what I was thinking of taking:

HQ Tervigon 160
Catalyst 15
Onslaught15
190
Hive Tyrant 170
Stranglethorn 20
Hive Commander 25
Armored Shell 40
Tyrant Guard 180
435

Elite Hive Guard 100

Y-Stealers 230

Y-Stealers 230


Troops Termie 50

Termie 50

Termie 50

Tervie 160
Psychic Powers(bio) 30
190
Tervie 160
Psychic Powers(bio) 30
190
Tervie 160
Psychic Powers(bio) 30
190

Fast Attack Shrikes 175
Boneswords 50
TS 25
250

Heavy Support Carnifex 320
TL Dev W/BL 30
Heavy Venom Cannon 50
400
Tyrannofex 250
Fleshborer hive 20
270
Mawloc 170


Total 2995

Sorry if it is confusing to read, but I figure yall should be able to interpret. The concern I have with this list is the Y-Stealers. Can they appear in an occupied piece of terrain? I ask because I know there will be a devastator squad in a building and probably some lootas in another building. The place we play has several large sized, multi level ruins with huge bases. I was thinking it should be OK if the Y-stealers popped out in the far corner of the ruins (easily more than 1" away) and smash those problem squads...

Plan B is to drop several of the MCs and up the termies to broods of 20 spored devilgaunts(is that a termagant with devourer? cause that is what they will be)

If they Y-stealers cannot appear in occupied buildings I was going to drop them and put in something... Not sure what probably large spinefisted ravener broods?

[rampagingfex]

Y-stealers can arrive in any area terrain as long as they can be placed more than 1" away from an enemy unit. If the terrain is occupied, but not fully occupied to the point where you still have physical space to place models and not be within 1" of the enemy, you can place them. Remember, you get to decide what piece of terrain they will lie dormant in after the deployment is over, so you can choose at that point how risky you want to be. If you are placing terrain, try and get something near the middle of the board (i.e. outside of the deployment zones) since those are harder for the enemy to fill up entirely since it requires them moving first and usually when they have to move, spread out, and get into terrain, I've found most people just don't think it's worthwhile.

Oh, last tip... be sure to discuss how the Y-stealers deployment works with your opponent ahead of time. Be sure to tell them the stealers can move (with move through cover) and assault (fleet) the turn they arrive. Discuss which terrain is "area terrain" and which is just terrain. You should still have plenty of surprise and threat factor left with the Y-stealers, and shouldn't have to worry about opponents who are caught off guard and upset. Don't forget to write down which piece of terrain they are in and hade the paper so you can show them upon arrival.

Why so many Tyrant Guards? I'd like to have a couple more hive Guard in place of two of these, especially with your Tyrant having Armored Shell and possibility of getting Iron Arm. Also, strenglethorn canon I've had no luck with. I like two sets of devourers. Do you have any other weapon options for this guy?

Don't forget your Tervigons come with Domnion, so the way you have them they will each get 3 rolls on the biomancy table.

Your Carnifexen are set up kind of wierd. Do you have room or points to take a Tyranid Prime to get one? Putting him in with that unit would make them a lot more resilient. The Heavy Venom Canon is a little weak sauce in my opinion, and would rather have extra devourers, but they certainly look cool. If you keep them, can you let us know how it worked out?

-RF

[papacheese]

Absolutely I'll try my best to remember the details and post a batrep, the game isn't till the 12th though...

I've only played a couple games, so I am still trying to get a feel for what works. I can use anything in any combination, since I am playing with proxies (bottles and cans and coins) with only one battleforce box worth of models. I usually take the stranglethron for the large blast, to try and eat a chunk out of the boyz mobs. Usually there will be several mobs relatively close together, and I try to set up the initial template in hopes of scattering onto multiple units.

So many T-guards... IDK? I wanted to make a mean brood. I guess I could drop one and add another H-guard (not enough elite slots using standard FOC)

Yup, I purchased the 2 additional psy power slots just for three rolls each on the bio table :-D

I took the HVC in case of tanks... Figured I'd want some kind of long range high strength weapon to blast with until they got close enough to start pounding.

[GuardDog78]

At that point value...i'd highly consider dual FoC...you only need 2 HQ and 4 troops to unlock it...and then you can run 6 elite, heavy or fast attack. Then you could drop two t-guard and field a second 2 model unit of h-guard.
My main concern would be that you've already decided that this will be a kill point game...those wants are going to die rather quickly...and spawning more just helps your opponent...so it may be wise to keep what you got and not spawn any more.
Lastly...i think the general consensus is that acid spray is typically better than fleshborer hives on a t-fex. Auto-hit/ignore cover are great combined with S6...20 shots sounds good...but the 12" range and S4 means that you'll probably get to use it once...then whatever you don't kill is going to be in CC with you that round...and a horde of boyz will mess a t-fex up just by shear weight of numbers...especially nobs with pklaws ...

[GuardDog78]

Oh...by the way...the HVC doesn't get a lot of love, but is effective against open-topped vehicles...just not as against others because it can never wreck them in a single hit. Initial shots should be on things like ork trukks loaded with boyz...easy to pen...and better for you if you can make that horde have to run on foot. T4 multiwound units and high toughness infantry units like bikers are good targets as well...also can be effective against your opponents long range infantry like devastator squads...