Space marine 2000 pt list

[humbletermagant]

Hey all, after being in the glorious 40k hobby for so long
, and being a nids player the entire time, I decided to start
another army. Due to a proposed lower model count I decided
on space marines. The AOBR set didn't hurt my decision either.
So anyway my list is as follow please feel free to blow it up.

Captain power sword combi melta
Chaplain jump pack plasma pistol

5xTactical Terminators assault cannon
5x SS TH Terminators
Dreadnougt TL las cannon missile launcher

10xtac melta ml
10xtac flamer ml
10xtac plasma gun lascannon
Rzback tl las storm Bolter
Rzback tl las storm Bolter
Rzback tl heavy bolter
5xscouts sniper rifles missil launcher

10xassault marines pfist 2xplasma pistol

Predator sponson heavy bolters

I didnt list standard wargear this is the list ill use every game
What do you guys think will it get raped in 6th or hold its own
Its about 2000 pts I built it with objective games in mind

[WestRider]

This is honestly kind of weak and lacking in focus. Might still be OK if you've got a really low-key group, but even my fluffy/fun lists would slap it around pretty badly.

- Captain: No real purpose. He doesn't have enough extra oomph to turn a Tac Squad into a real Assault Unit, and he brings nothing to the Army other than his Weapons. If you want a Combat Captain, go with Relic Blade/Storm Shield, ideally on a Bike.

- Chaplain (and Assault Marines): Not great, but not terrible either. I've used one like that with a similar Assault Squad, and they do OK until they come up against a real Assault Unit, but they're pretty spendy for that kind of mediocrity.

* If you're not going for a Chapter Tactics SC, the Librarian is the real stand-out option for HQ. Cheap, good Codex Powers (most notably Null Zone, but only Smite actually sucks), access to the three mid-level Rulebook Disciplines, and some Psychic Defense.

- Tactical Terminators: Meh. Not enough bodies to survive Plasma fire, mediocre Special Weapon. Tactical Terminators only really shine with Lysander, honestly, but even without him, they do better with a couple more bodies and a Cyclone.

- Hammernators: Rock solid. Best thing you've got going here. Could use a couple more bodies, tho.

- Dread: Not bad, tho I prefer the higher rate of fire from the Quad Autocannon version.

- Tacs & Razors: With the changes to Combat Squads (Both Units can now Embark in the same Transport), I think the Rhino is generally a much better option for Vanilla Marines. I like Multi-Melta/Plasmagun/Combi-Weapon for Squads that are going to advance. You can either get a Combi-Melta and keep the Sarge with the Multi-Melta or a Combi-Plasma and put him in with the Special Weapon half. Generally roll up and have the Plasma halves get out while the Multi-Meltas stay bunkered, but it depends on the Opponent and Mission.

If you do want to go Razorbacks, things get a bit more complicated, and becomes a topic I'm not really qualified to go into depth on. Since you're not advancing with nearly as many dudes, Special Weapon choice becomes much more important. Unless you're just using them for extra firepower in your backfield, I prefer either the Assault Cannon or the Las/TL Plasma Razorback, as they're the most versatile and have the highest likely damage output within their optimum ranges. Definitely ditch the Storm Bolters, tho, they're way too expensive for what they add.

Tactical Squads are a big topic, more than I can do justice to, and there are a lot of viable options, but there are even more not-really-viable options. The big thing is to make sure you've got a clearly defined Role for the Squad. Despite the fluff, they're not really suited to trying to do everything at once.

- Scouts: I'd probably ditch the Missile Launcher. It doesn't really mesh with the Sniper Rifles. Otherwise, solid backfield Objective Camping Unit.

- Predator: The Dakka Predator you've got here is an OK Unit in and of itself, but your list is really lacking in Anti-Tank, so I'd probably shell out for Lascannon Sponsons on it.

Things I would look to add:
- Fast Melta: Either Attack Bikes or Land Speeders with MultiMeltas.
- SternGuard: Keep 'em relatively cheap, just give them a few extra dudes, a Rhino or Drop Pod, and a few Combi-Weapons.
- A few more Hammernators. Possibly go all the way to 10, so you can Combat Squad them for more flexibility.
- Some more ranged Anti-Tank: Devastators with Missile Launchers (They pay way too much for Lascannon) or more AutoLas Predators. Taking some of the Speeders as Typhoons couldn't hurt either.

Not necessarily all of those, but some combination of them.

Get Points for these things by dropping one or both HQs, the Tactical Terminators, probably the Assault Marines, and downgrading the Razorbacks to Rhinos. Maybe even ditch one Tac Squad, but I think at 2K you really want 3, even with the Scouts.

[infornography]

Speaking from experience, razorbacks are rarely worth it. Rhinos are often though.

Tactical terminators are generally a waste of points. They aren't bad but they aren't great either.

Hammernators are one of the best melee units in the game.

For HQs, the only non named HQ worth taking in my opinion is the Librarian. Otherwise read through the rules for all the named guys and pick one that works with how you want your army to work.
I personally have found that Vulkan Hestan or Pedro Kantor are the best options.

Predators are generally overrated.

The dread is pretty poorly outfitted. Either equip it for close range versatility with a heavy flamer and multimelta or give it autocannons and keep it at range.

Assault marines are just terrible. They are a melee focused unit with not enough attacks and weapon options to actually do anything meaningful in melee. I would drop them like a bad habit.

Recommendations: more hammernators. Get some transport for them. Either a land raider or a storm eagle (FW flying transport, sexy but make sure your opponents are cool with FW units). If you go with Pedro, add some sternguard. Do not over equip them though. it is easy to make space marine veterens drastically overcosted by buying them too many toys. Keep them simple and with their special ammo options they can hold objectives for you very well. If you go with Vulkan then load up on melta and flamers. Land speeders can make terrifying drop assassin squads. Finally you need SOME anti air. If you don't get the storm Eagle then get a storm talon or two and consider an aegis defense line with a quad cannon.

Codex space marines are somewhat tricky to build a list for. You have to look over all the options and build something synergistic. My first several attempts ended badly until I finally went with Vulkan as my primary HQ. His buffs helped guide my army into something quite effective.

[jahatch42878]

I have to agree with the "stay focused" mantra with your tactical squads and sternguard (if you take them)... I have had a lot of failures with my marines because I end up waffling on what they should do, can do, and either over-equip and then under-use them or get them in the wrong spot for how they are appropriately equipped... and although taking a lot of marines isn't a bad thing, unless you are really objective minded when you play, you will find that the combat squads with the ML and lascannons end up not even using the bolters on the other 4 marines all game (waste of points and manpower) and you'd be better off with a devastator squad or doing something like WestRider suggests where you use the rhinos to move up and then deploy in a good spot. And sadly, yeah, the assault marines are only going to be good assaulting soft targets and not any other assault unit.... they might be useful in concert with another assault unit (the termies?) if you just need #s or against poorly armored enemies, but against other MEQ they are going to be in trouble....

I guess as a 'Nid player, is there any Marine lists you had trouble with or units you hated facing? (or did you have the most trouble against massed bolter fire and hence why you created this list?) Just trying to see what epiphanies you gained as a player against marines.

Josh