1850 list

[ikterus]

Me and my friends are having a small tournament for the holidays.

We are a rather diversed set of players and play a very laid back 40K. No WAACs here.

This my list:

Tyrant, LW/BS + TL devs, Hive Commander

Tervigon, CC, TS, AG, 3 biomancy
Tervigon, CC, TS, AG, 3 biomancy
10 Gants
10 Gants
5 Stealers + BL, 2 biomancy
10 Hormagaunts

Doom + Spore (Biomancy/Shriek/Codex)
3 Hive Guard
2 Zoanthropes (Biomancy)

Trygon Prime
Trygon Prime

tot = 1850 pts


This is a variant of the psychic choir. My plan is to pour enfeeble on my opponent while buffing my own MCs with Iron Arm and Warp Speed.

Turn two I go for a massed reserves, saturating the board with 2 Trygons and the Doom (if the dice permits).

I'm thinking of letting the small unit of Hormagaunts outflank just to mess with my opponent alternatively outflank one of the Termagant squads to grab a hard to reach objective.

What do you think?

[Lanesend]

Does the Tyrant have guards or an armor? It seems to me that he will be focussed down in the first turn if he doesn't. Especially since you want to reserve the Trygons and the Doom.

You could also make it a flyrant, but it would cost you exactly 10 hormies.

[ikterus]

Nope, the Tyrant has neither...

I figure that with Night Fighting and the possibility of regaining wounds (Life Leech) he would live to see more than one turn.

It is a valid point though... I just hate to "waste" points on Guards or armour...

I have yet to play a game with the new flying MC rules... And the model has fixed weapons (LW+BS + dualdevs). But maybe I should try it out? I can live without the gaunt squad.

[ikterus]

My original thought was to use Old Adversary and walk the Tyrant up the field, joined by the zoanes and the hive guard. The zoanes could buff the Tyrant and the HG would benifit from rerolls to hit.

You could offcourse deploy the Trygons, or one of them... Might take some heat from the Tyrant?

[Lanesend]

Yeah, that could work, but I think most tactical minds on the Hive would say to either deploy them both or DS them both.
And tbh I like the idea of three strong units DSing in your opponents face in the second turn.

The problem with an unguarded Tyrant is, is that it is giving reasonable easy free victory points to your opponent with First Blood/Slay the warlord. A lot of people who use flyrants even get a cheap prime as warlord, because the Flyrant get's shot down. And those things require 6s to hit. A walking Tyrant without protection is much easier to kill.

I think I would drop the hormies from the list, to buy an armored shell and hope for Iron Arm and get Endurance from a Tervi/zoan/Broodlord. That still leaves 20 points to play with. Or get a Flyrant and either hide him Gliding behind terrain or swooping in on the second turn.

(that last one would greatly add to the turn 2 reserve strike)

In your group you probably don't have to worry about both Tervi's being killed on turn one, because the opponent would need a lot of lascannon / missile shots to kill them both.

[ikterus]

Hmm. Shell you say? I'll give it a thought. The 20 pts could be used for toxin on the Trygons... Or lose another stealer and put Old Adversary on the rant too?

I do have wings to put on my tyrant...

Decisions, decisions...

[ikterus]

Another thought.

What if I get rid of the Hormagaunts, put armored shell on the Tyrant and use the extra 20 pts to buy two bases of Spore Mines? Or am I better of using 20 pts to give the Trygons toxin?

[ikterus]

After a good nights sleep I realized that I have to take three Spore mInes minimum... Was it a valid idea otherwise?

I think maybe I'll go for a Tyrant Guard instead of the Shell? With Iron Arm the extra wounds can be really great. Still AV2 is golden nowadays...

Decisions, decisions...

[Lanesend]

Yeah, it's the fine tuning that takes the time, eh?

I'm not a big fan of (deployed) spore mines. I used them a couple of times when 6th was just out, but my opponents got the trick to kill them pretty quickly. They can move one model in a unit within 1 (or is it 2) inch and it will blow up immediatly. So they risk only one model, during movement.

Tyrant Guard instead of shell is also a good idea, giving you more wounds. The SV2+ doesn't do anything vs las/plas/melta weapons. Where the guard gives you two extra wounds. Then again, against AP3 or worse weapons, the SV2+ almost doubles your resistance.

I guess it depends on what you expect to see on the other side of the table.