pyrovore in 6th

[paxmiles]

Just wondering, is this guy as useless as he was in 5th, or are people getting some good use from him now?
-Pax

[superchum]

Mine is seeing more use in 6th.
He now supports more older 5th books on the shelf. Should be really good when 7th comes out.

[WestRider]

Still suffers from being too slow and competing with much better (and more desperately needed) Units in the Elites Slot.

The only way it really gained is being able to Overwatch, but it was always best to take them down with Shooting, so that doesn't actually end up mattering much.

[paxmiles]

Dec 18, 2012 5:00:49 GMT WestRider said:

Still suffers from being too slow and competing with much better (and more desperately needed) Units in the Elites Slot.

The only way it really gained is being able to Overwatch, but it was always best to take them down with Shooting, so that doesn't actually end up mattering much.

Overwatch and rage. Remember that the pyrovore has "feed" and can still fire while feeding. So, at least, he's got a flame and then 3 attacks on the charge.

Still kinda pathetic, but I figured I'd ask.

If only they'd FAQ the tunneling trygons to arrive turn 1 and allow pyrovores turn 2...
-Pax

[WestRider]

Actually making use of IB: Feed is a lot harder than it looks at first. Unless you're trying something fancy with Dominion, it means leaving the Pyrovores out of Synapse through your Opponent's Turn, and forcing that Ld6 Morale Test isn't all that hard for most Armies. Even if you make it through that, they've only got about a 58% chance of failing the IB Test and getting Rage. Finally, even if you pull all that off, you still only get one decent round of Combat from them, and even that isn't all that great. On average, even with Rage, a full Brood will only kill 2 MEqs or so on the Charge.

All of this also ties back into a couple of the problems I mentioned initially, too: They're slow, so it's hard to set this up, and your Opponent is going to know that they do the most damage in Assault, and so will try to gun them down.

It's frustrating, because they're such a great Model, but with the Chaos Codex re-write turning Spawn into awesomeness, Pyrovores are now solidly the worst Unit in 40K.

[leeroy1986]

Tunnelling Trygons turn 1 would be ridiculous lol.

[glassiya]

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Tactics&action=display&thread=39950

beside this - they rule, yeah. A bit overpriced (okay, A LOT overpriced), but still they do that they should - BURN. With no cover save. Say hello to those dancng Eldar.

[GuardDog78]

Someone had a thread on here not long ago trying to prove the plausibility of provokes in a mystic spore. I believe he was having some success. I've been tempted to try it myself...but i find it hard to give up zoans, hive guard and ymgarls for them...

On another note...
Yeah...trygons deep striking turn one (or spores for that matter)...would be ridiculous...it would be OP...at least that's what SM players would cry...because they should be the only ones to do it...

[nurglitch]

Speaking of, is there anything out there about how Acid Blood works in 6th edition? I haven't found anything in 6th edition FAQs to suggest that a Pyrovore is limited to inflicting its Wounds characteristic worth of acid blood on its attackers.

[Deleted]

You can't polish a turd.

[WestRider]

Dec 19, 2012 20:25:52 GMT nurglitch said:

Speaking of, is there anything out there about how Acid Blood works in 6th edition? I haven't found anything in 6th edition FAQs to suggest that a Pyrovore is limited to inflicting its Wounds characteristic worth of acid blood on its attackers.

Doesn't need a FAQ. If you follow the Rules on Pg.25 precisely, you Allocate Wounds one at a time, and stop allocating them to a given Model once it's removed as a casualty.

I'm not sure tho how many Wounds a Model with Acid Blood does when it suffers Instant Death.

[infornography]

Acid blood got seriously nerfed in this edition due to the fact that you no longer can kill off an entire enemy unit when they overkill him.

Really, the pyrovore is just all around fail. He is more of a liability than a help in most cases since the enemy will nail him with a S8 shot when he is sitting in your deployment area before he gets to move much less shoot at anything.

If you put him in a spore you are making him much more expensive to get a single shot off before he explodes and possibly hurts his spore/unit.

Just an all around terrible unit not likely to do you enough good to be worth half his points.

[nurglitch]

WestRider:

Good point. In the case of Instant Death, then, it follows that one wound's worth of Acid Blood is resolved and the model is removed as a casualty.

[paxmiles]

Dec 18, 2012 11:27:44 GMT leeroy1986 said:

Tunnelling Trygons turn 1 would be ridiculous lol.

I mean allow the trygon to tunnel in turn 1, and other units could use the tunnels as per normal reserves (as in, turn 2 or later). The limit of heavy slots to field trygons means that this tactic would be no more broken than SM pod armies, especially as vehicles/blobs can just sit on the tunnels to prevent their use.
-Pax