Help my dad make a list

[robomummy]

So my dad has recently started getting into the hobby and has been going with me to my LGS on the weekends. At first he just wanted to see what I did there. after that he met a group of guys his age who play and he saw that it really is a fun and social hobby that he wants to get into. He has been using my space marines and just throwing units together to make a functioning list to play some games. However there is a tournament coming up soon so he wants me to make him a good list to use for the tournament.

here is the problem, I know very little about how vanilla space marines play. He loves normal space marines, none of those other chapters, he just wants to keep it simple. so my question is what would be a good list out of the models I have? I wont have a codex until I get back home after finals and by then I wont have alot of time before the tournament so i want to make him a good list that he can practice with beforehand.

here are the models i have for him to use.
-Space marine captain (x5)
-Space marine bike captain
-Librarian with terminator armor
-20 tactical marines
-5 assault marines
-5 scouts
-3 dreadnaughts
-2 rhinos
-5 terminators
-3 drop pods
-2 rhinos
-Predator

Wysiwyg is not a problem at my LGS so wargear doesnt need to be modeled. all I need is a good, easy to use, space marine list.

[commandersasha]

Either you, or he, should join www.bolterandchainsword.com, the best Marine forum I've seen, which is very strict anti-flame, no text speak, no memes, just good advice.
Speaking as a 41yr old father, it is a great forum for 40+ fathers!

[Devil's Advocate]

How many points?
I know wysiwyg isn't a problem, but there is a certain level of "makes senses" that should be adhered to. better to make a list based on options that are on the models, e.g. - are those sniper scouts or something else? the terminators - do they have any heavy weapons?

anyway, here's a decent 1000 point all comers list that was fairly common in 5th, modified for 6th.

Librarian in terminator armor, 140
-Force Axe, storm shield.

5x terminators - 200

10x tactical marines 235
-flamer, missile launcher
-Sgt with Power fist, melta bombs
-Rhino

10x tactical marines 235
-flamer, missile launcher
-Sgt with Power fist, melta bombs
-Rhino

5x scouts 75
- 5x Sniper rifles

Dreadnought 105

hope that helps.

[robomummy]

sorry forgot to mention it is 1500 points.

geaqr that the models have doesnt matter as long as it is writtend down it doesnt actually need to be represented.

[Anggul]

In that case he could do with another 10 Tactical Marines. Scouts really aren't very good except as sniper objective-holders which they should be 10-strong to do, and even then I would probably rather have Tactical Marines. 3 squads of 10 are a good base for 1500, then decide on which HQ would be most useful and then whatever else you think would benefit the army.

[robomummy]

Dec 15, 2012 13:01:24 GMT Anggul said:

In that case he could do with another 10 Tactical Marines. Scouts really aren't very good except as sniper objective-holders which they should be 10-strong to do, and even then I would probably rather have Tactical Marines. 3 squads of 10 are a good base for 1500, then decide on which HQ would be most useful and then whatever else you think would benefit the army.

there are a few problems with this though. He doesnt want to buy anything and i dont have the cash to get another tactical squad so the maximum is 20 that he can use. Also I really have no Idea what is good or not in normal marines, I dont have the codex with me and wont until I get home (by that time it will be too late for him to practice with the list before the tournament) I have no idea what would benefit the army. Nobody here plays vanilla marines and my marine models until very recently have been sitting on a shelf for years.

[robomummy]

ok so after some recent work I have come up with a list for him to use

Librarian- terminator armor, storm shield, gate of infinity, quickening
Captain- artificer armor, storm shield, lightning claw
Terminator squad- thunder hammer, storm shield
dreadnaught- 2x TL autocannons, drop pod with locator beacon
dreadnaught- 2x TL autocannons, drop pod with locator beacon
Tactical squad- heavy bolter, power sword, rhino with storm bolter and extra armor
Tactical squad- heavy bolter, power sword, drop pod with locator beacon
Scout squad- sniper rifles
Vindicator- demolisher cannon, storm bolter, seige shield


the librarian will travel with the terminators to buff their ability to get into CC and make them hit faster.
the captain will travel with the one of the tactical squads and absorb damage on the squad.
the dreadnaughts drop in where they are needed and are good for light vehicles and heavy infantry
the scouts are good for sitting on an objective and sniping various troublesome units
the vindicator will drive around shooting large groups of infantry or parking lots.

[nidzy]

Why not just walk the dreadnoughts? You can deploy with good fire lanes and beshooting from turn one with the 48" range. I could understand an ironclad in the drop pod, or a mm/hf dread but you don't need to spend the points with the auto cannon guys.

Using those points you could fit in cammo cloaks and a missile launcher for the scouts which will add a huge amount of utility for this unit. They are a bit inconsistent, I have had them finish off monstrous creatures, roll pens on landspeeders...and the most fun: snipe power weapons and flamers. Lots of fun:)
I like the missile launcher much better than heavy bolter on the tac squads as well. It can contribute to anti infantry, but it gives a nice bonus if you want to stand them on an objective or combat squad them...it is also free.

I would also take axes on the seargents because of the AP 2. Sure they go at initiative one, but you were going to with a fist anyway, and it is still AP 2! Without AP 2 I don't think it is even worth the points and you might as well put those points into a combi weapon or something. With that said, I might spend the extra points from dropping drop pods to a fist on one of the seargents as it is still a nice option in the first squad assuming you are fighting things you don't mind being in a challenge with.

A teleport homer might be nice if you want to deep strike the terminators. They can benefit from it and you have the points if you are already dropping the 2 drop pods you dont need the beacon.

[jahatch42878]

I agree the Drop Pods on TL autocannons dreads is probably unneccessary...
if you wanted one dread with mutlimelta and heavy flamer in a drop pod to then bring the terminators down near that would make sense.
use the other dread a part of your gunline.

Also, other than the Vindicator (and powerfists/thunderhammers) you don't have much AP (and all of it short ranged)... so I'd consider either some lascannons or a predator with lascannons or giving the ranged attack dread lascannons... or find some meltaguns for the infantry somewhere... I sound like a broken record but too many games lost vs obliterators and 2+ save models despite firing loads of bolters at them... when the dice aren't with you, all you need is a lascannon... (well, preferablly twin-linked lascannon, lol)....

also, any worry about flyers? you have nothing AA.. might not be a problem at your LGS but most people seem to be at least taking an Aegis Defence Line and Quad or Icarus at least to threaten flyers.. I know you said no $$ to spend, but it isn't expensive for the Aegis..

[Kwodd]

Thunder fire cannons.... All the way.

[infornography]

old thread is old.

[Kwodd]

Yea, noticed that after posting.

[jason]

I know it's an old thread. No list advice here, sorry. Just wanted to say I think it's awesome you and your Dad are playing 40K together.