Aegis Defense line for tyranids?

[evilm0nkey]

An Aegis defense line costs as much as a single hive guard to field and provides a 4+ save.

I dont see them in any of the army lists here on the forum.

I was thinking this might be a pretty good investment as you can leave one of your tervigons behind in the fortification getting a better cover save. Also would the opponent be able to draw LOS to gaunts behind this wall? If they cant, these cant even be targeted. The gaunts can hop over the wall late game to grab nearby objectives.

Could also provide some nice modeling options in adding dismembered guardsmen and random rippers to the defense line that is already being covered in tentacle-like overgrowth

any thoughts?

[infornography]

It is fairly nice. Though putting a tervigon behind it is a waste of a tervigon's potential.

Mostly I don't have it in my list because I can usually use existing terrain to serve the same purpose and we usually can't make use of the bonus for going to ground due to fearless.

[pipsickness]

I didn't think Tyranids could use fortifications such as the Aegis defense line unless of course you mean just having it on the board as normal terrain?

I love the idea of turning one "niddy" using rippers and vines really appeals to me though! I'd love to see pics if you did it!

[infornography]

It would pretty much be using it as normal terrain since all other features of it aren't usable by us for whatever reason. Except for the comms relay, nothing prevents us from using that.

[evilm0nkey]

I have a defense line, but no tyranid themed one yet.

I'm going to try it out, setting it up in the mid-front of my deployment zone i ensure a 4+ cover save for my units that are starting on the board. Could also save some shots when going second.

[Jabberwocky]

It is handy but you may start wishing you had 50 points spent somewhere else when the mission dictates you need to move away from it.

Gants can hide out of sight potentially but there are gaps/vision slits that may cause problems especially with an elevated opponent.

[glassiya]

Aegis suits more for stand'n'shoot army. We're definitely not one.

Well, of couse, we can take Tfexes, Biovores and Hiveguards, and just go defensive, but that'll be really strange nid tactics.

[superchum]

If I might ask in this thread:

Does ADL provide cover against blast template weapons? So for example some orkboys are behind the ADL and my walkrant is coming at them and fires his venom canon and hits. Do they get the save?

Also lets say my warriors outflank and come up behind the orkboys that are hanging out in the ADL with no section of the ADL between the boys and the warriors, do the boys still get a cover save from the warriors deathspitters?

Thanks,

[crotchlictor]

I believe the answer here is yes to the Venom Cannon, since it's not a barrage weapon (please correct me if I'm wrong). And they would not get a cover save from the ADL if it's behind them in case number 2 since it's not area terrain.

[nurglitch]

Remember that Fearless units cannot go to ground, and units within Synapse are Fearless.

[swarmy]

Dec 12, 2012 18:54:31 GMT crotchlictor said:

I believe the answer here is yes to the Venom Cannon, since it's not a barrage weapon (please correct me if I'm wrong). And they would not get a cover save from the ADL if it's behind them in case number 2 since it's not area terrain.

I never even gave it a second look in the rule book because it didn't make sense for tyranids but what is the official ruling on being shot at from behind one? Is there a distance to the defense line stipulation? I've charged up to a few and charged over a few and people keep telling me different things; one guy gave me saves because I was touching the defense line. That seems a little crazy if it does confer saves to your opponent as well; in our case negating what little useful AP we have here and there.

[Jestar]

Dec 12, 2012 18:54:31 GMT crotchlictor said:

I believe the answer here is yes to the Venom Cannon, since it's not a barrage weapon (please correct me if I'm wrong). And they would not get a cover save from the ADL if it's behind them in case number 2 since it's not area terrain.

This is correct.

[fragile]

Dec 12, 2012 19:19:57 GMT swarmy said:

Dec 12, 2012 18:54:31 GMT crotchlictor said:

I believe the answer here is yes to the Venom Cannon, since it's not a barrage weapon (please correct me if I'm wrong). And they would not get a cover save from the ADL if it's behind them in case number 2 since it's not area terrain.

I never even gave it a second look in the rule book because it didn't make sense for tyranids but what is the official ruling on being shot at from behind one? Is there a distance to the defense line stipulation? I've charged up to a few and charged over a few and people keep telling me different things; one guy gave me saves because I was touching the defense line. That seems a little crazy if it does confer saves to your opponent as well; in our case negating what little useful AP we have here and there.

The requirement for the ADL (and most other cover) is having 25% obscurement. If they are far enough behind the ADL that it covers 25% of your model you get cover and vice versa.

[infornography]

Remember you draw line of sight from the head of the model, to the body. So if you are behind an ADL you probably have a clear shot to them from your head but from their head they probably don't have a clear shot to your body. If you are far enough behind it that from your head the ADL covers 25% of their body, they do get a cover save though which is why you generally want your models right up on the wall to ensure the enemy doesn't benefit.

[Jabberwocky]

ADL isn't just a sit back thing. You deploy it in your table half, not your deployment zone.

This gives you good cover to advance forward into and also good cover for infiltrated stealers.

For terrain sparse games it is a blessing but I play with mostly ruins so found less and less use for it.