devourers vs greater demon lord

[kujwa]

next week i'll be playing an apoc game and i'm almost certain one of the guys will be playing the giant winged greater demon thing. i don't own the forgeworld book that has his stats so my question to you guys is: can termagaunts w/devourers damage him? also can the term & horm wound him with toxic sacs?

[hadriel]

If its the big bloodthirster. Then iam going to say no on the devourers I believe he is toughness 10. And I know with the gargantuan creatures (not sure if he is or not) but the toxin sac would require a 6 to wound. From what I hear hes a pretty strong model

[swarm492]

Oh he is, he really is. Hadriel is right on the poison, it effects gargantuan are only effected by poison on a 6. I have his rules, I know I cant post them for you, but ill see what I can get away with to try and help. What I have below might read silly but I honestly don't know how straight forward I can be.

His toughness is 2 less than what Hadriel said it was, his initiative is the number of fingers I have on my right hand, and his attack profile is more than 1 higher than his initiative profile. His wounds mirrors his toughness and value and his WS and strength are at the top of the charts. His armor is as good as a terminators armor but with a better invul, He receives a randomly determined number of bonus attacks for charging and is capable of very rapid movement. If you guys got a large 18 inch pizza during your game he could leap right over it with room to spare. He has a variant of a rule found on kharne in the chaos codex, so physic attacks are pretty much useless. He acts as a homing beacon for other demons. If I don't need to take this down Ill post more for ya later

[kujwa]

thanks swarm for the info. my idea is since i'm taking endless swarm formation and tunnels asset to chip away at him with 120 devourer shots then run in with 60 hormagaunts with toxic sacs, rinse repeat.

my other idea would be to run my 16 stealers with 2 broodlords up, have one lord use aura of despair then have the 2nd cast hypnotic gaze

[leeroy1986]

Just enfeeble him

[Anggul]

Gargantuan Creatures are immune to psychic powers that don't deal damage. Basically if it isn't Witchfire, it doesn't work. Also I believe he ignores any psychic powers on a 2+ anyway, so psychic powers are out. You're just going to have to fire lots of Impaler Cannons, Brainleech Devourers and the like at him and hope he fails a lot of 2+ armour saves. Have fun with that.

[swarm492]

Bio-cannons work great but still gotta fail those saves

[Jabberwocky]

Rending can always wound on a 6, even without poison.

While Gaze won't work, Ymgarls/genestealers may be the simplest solution. That is still a lot of wounds to get through though. Implant attack could help here.

[DukeMantis]

Deepstrike Trygons all around him, enfeeble and rawr smash attack!

[Jabberwocky]

Or surround and Mawlock him, if you're feeling really cheesey.

[gigasnail]

can't enfeeble them.

[edjammies]

if the greater demon doesnt have eternal warrior, would it be easier to use the Swarmlord against him? potentially insta-death the demon lord, make him re-roll all his invuls, and use preferred enemy to re-roll your missed attacks. Swarmlord's initiative is supposedly higher than the demon's as well. If you also get a good roll with Iron Arm, you could match, if not exceed, the greater demon's stats so it won't be too difficult to wound him.

with that crazy pizza-span movement, it'll will definitely be tough to get into CC with him, but atleast you'll know the greater demon will want to stay far away from wherever the Swarmlord is.

[gigasnail]

doesn't have eternal warrior, is just flat immune to instant death. nullifies psychic attacks directed at him on a 2+, and has the usual gargantuan creature immunity to psyker powers that don't cause damage. it does only have I5 though, so swarmy will go first. unless he charges through terrain, so be sure to have guards w/ lash whips just in case. the daemon has 8 wounds though and is WS 10 S10 with 10-16 attacks on the charge (might be 9-15, it's honestly sort of unclear because they changed the way rage works. might be updated in FAQ? didn't check). swarmy's gonna most likely wound him due to the forced invul save re-rolls but pretty sure demon boy would mulch him.

[Rakuall]

I'd be tempted to just tarpit the guy. 50-60 Gants/gaunts/gargs should keep him tied up all game, and will only run a fraction of his cost.

[gigasnail]

you actually can't tarpit them. stomp attack aside (lets them make 1 attack per model engaged with them instead of their normal attack value, which is liable to be lethal for gants), anything that isn't a superheavy has to try to GTFO and consolidate at least 1" away. it's poorly worded though and i m ay not be reading it correctly.