Ditch the swarm lord?

[baconslice]

Ok so I've worked on a MCs list 1500pts
It's essentially
Swarm lord
Flyrant
2x tervigons
Trygon
Carnifex.

Now I'm thinking, what if I change my swarm lord and his guard, for another flyrant? It'd be more agile and would give me more points for upgrades?

I'd originally had a Dakka fex and Dakka flyrant, should I make the second flyrant Dakka as well or try something else?

[Illithid]

Do you have any Termagants for troops so this list is legal? I would say a 2nd fyrant would be the way to go.

Personally, I would drop the Carnifex also.

[baconslice]

Yea I got the 2 units of termies, I wanted the fex just for a bit of variation but I don't actually know what it would do?

[Deadlink]

Ditch the Carni and swarmlord and go for a second trygon I think.

Just ma 2 cents .

Upgrade the units right and thats a nice list although i would like to see some zoans or HG in there just in case ( even though this si a Mc list wouldnt hurt to have some "just in case" there if you mc's get tied up).

Deadlink97~

[baconslice]

Yea great thanks,
So it's
2 x Dakka flyrants,
2 x tervigons (AG,TS and 2 ex psy powers )

2 x units 10 gaunts

2 x trygons

That leaves me with exactly 60 points so I just chucked in a zoanathrope.

[infornography]

Another option is to go for Ymgarls instead of the second Trygon.

All depends on what you are going for, but Ymgarls are extremely effective units.

[revx]

it really depends the SL is better than a flyrant at what the SL does and the flyrant is btter than the SL at what the flyrant does.

it depends on your meta in your local area. the SL flyrant combo would probably give you more of an all comers list than 2 flyrants.

the SL is a walking deathstar killer, 2 flyrants really cant stand up to a deathstar.

you just have to decide what is more important:

mobility and shooting go with the flyrant
better psyker, CC, durability, better support (PE or FC and 18" synapse), and board control go with the SL

[nidzy]

Dec 6, 2012 15:06:47 GMT revx said:

it really depends the SL is better than a flyrant at what the SL does and the flyrant is btter than the SL at what the flyrant does.

it depends on your meta in your local area. the SL flyrant combo would probably give you more of an all comers list than 2 flyrants.

the SL is a walking deathstar killer, 2 flyrants really cant stand up to a deathstar.

you just have to decide what is more important:

mobility and shooting go with the flyrant
better psyker, CC, durability, better support (PE or FC and 18" synapse), and board control go with the SL

I laughed when I read "2 flyrants can't stand up to a deathstar" because in last nights game I charged a fully wounds hive tyrant into 14 kroot in an attempt to tie up and ended up killing 3 kroot in 3 rounds of combat and dying...thats like 110 points of kroot. I also didn't have any endurance support which was part of the reason I was trying to tie up.

Anyway, I still like the list with the dual flyrants. My meta has switched pretty significantly towards infantry, so I am only seeing 2 or 3 vehicles per list rather than the 6+ I used to see pretty regularly so I have been taking more devil gants than I used to and biovores have become my cheap go to for filling out less than 100 points in my army.

[rpricew]

I buy the Swarmlord because I'm using his other abilities mostly... sure he is the Killy Beast that everyone fears, but it's when you combine it with 2 Psychic powers per turn (one blessing and one malediction usually), the ability to enhance a friendly nearby unit (Furious charge or Preferred enemy), plus if you do decide that you want that Guaranteed 2+ on turn 2 for your reserves with a re-rollable outflank... Swarmlord is the way to go!

If you're not planning on utilizing his synergy with the rest of your army, then he is a waste and you're better off with other options.

My Swarmlord is either giving Hormagaunts (with TS) furious charge to save the points on the unit, he is granting Hive Guard preferred enemy to re-roll those 1s when shooting at tough targets. He also makes those Ymgarls show up turn 2, causes the enemy to be weakened and runs with Iron Arm backed up by his Prime/Guard buddies. 280 is a bargain for all of that, of course the Swarmstar is about 445 with a Prime/Tyrant guard too...