Vindicators???

[Deadlink]

Hey Hive,

Deadlink97 here.

So I wasn't exactly sure where to put this thread but..... How do you deal with Vindicators?

I will be playing an Ultramarine player who says he will be bringing some vindicators. It's only 1200 point game so I will not have a lot of units to expend in killing the indicator. So I need to know what unit can and set it put to go vindicator hunting throughout the game.

What can I use to bring them down, and also what can they do to my Tyranids that I should be wary of?

Deadlink97~

[Raven]

A devil Flyrant can flank it on turn one and shoot it up, a full Hive Guard brood has a good chance of popping if it gets the side armour, and still a chance against front armour. Otherwise you might have to weather the firepower until you can get a monstrous creature up there to smash it. On the bright side their poor range means your opponent has to get them close to you.

[gigasnail]

seconding; dakka flyrant is not impressed with vindicator, at all (can't shoot blasts at swooping FMC). rear shot/flank shot/vector strike or enter glide mode and donkey punch it, as the situation calls for. flank shots w/ HG brood will ruin its day as well; they're side AV11 and will cave in nicely.

[Deadlink]

Cool, so all it takes is a Flyrant. That should be easy but what can the Vindicator do to my guys.How bad would it be for my units if the gun got in range of say gaunts/tervi or a trygon. Because my army list tht i made so far involves practically everything deepstriking. The flyrant could take out the vindicator as easily as you sa,y but if my flanking tervi or a trygon got stuck infront of the vindicator would that be bad?

Deadlink97~

[gigasnail]

demolisher cannon is S10 AP2, so yeah it liquifies infantry and will ID anything not T6+/EW. however if it shoots an MC, still just does 1 wound. it's not the list with one vindi that is the problem; it's the list with 3-6 that is the problem. you should be fine.

[Deadlink]

Dec 6, 2012 5:49:59 GMT gigasnail said:

it's not the list with one vindi that is the problem; it's the list with 3-6 that is the problem. you should be fine.

Yeah but the thing is he has 3 Vindicators, So he could rock up with three. But he says to me he is going to have Sicarius, a command squad, 2 tactical squads and a devastator as well as the Vindicator.

At 1200 points I hope he doesnt have enough points to fit in more vindicators or his landraider.

[gigasnail]

3 vindis, cato w/ command squad, two five man bare bones tac squads, one dev squad w/ missiles is 990. leaves just enough points for some ablative wounds on the tac squads or some rhinos. i don't think you'll be seeing his land raider on this one.

he's got 2 troops choices. smash the vindis with a flyrant, and kill the troops, and pod something down to keep the devs occupied. kill his troops and it becomes really difficult for him to win (unless you get big guns never tire). be aware of placement with the flyrant, beware that dev squad feeding him a steady diet of krak missiles.

3+ vindis is the way to do it though. be aware of how nasty that is to infantry units, both gribblies and stuff like warriors. people say vindis are short range, but really most cases they're going to deploy aggressively and you'll be taking fire turn 1 unless you deploy way back. play smart and you'll win. let us know how it goes!

[Jabberwocky]

Ymgarls rock them, since they usually don't move much from deployment.

[gigasnail]

yeah yrgmls would be good as well, both for devastator killings and vindicators. or cato and his boys if you catch them out of cover.

[Squire]

Just go heavy on monstrous creatures, and maybe keep any spawned gaunts out of range. The way I see it, the good thing about vindicators for us would be that they are wasted on MC's and cheap gaunts. Against a MC's it would be far better to shoot them with a predator annihilator, which could do three wounds a turn but will usually do two. A vindicator is only doing one max. What's that to a tervigon or trygon? A vindicator blasting gaunts would do damage, but would it really be worth it's points? If a vindicator only killed 5 or 6 point gaunts all game it would have to take a lot of them out to make back it's own points

Having said that, the army I'm building now wouldn't like to see vindicators. Two units of warriors, a prime and two zoanthropes in 1500 points

[Deadlink]

I have 2 lists one that is for with a tervi and another that I made when we agreed on kp. I don't know which would stand up better to three Vindicators. My main worry is that the termagunts will give off too many kill points and witht he other list having prime warriors and gaunts might not be enought for 3 vindicators.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence = 260 pts.
Tyranid Prime (1) - Devourer, Scything Talons = 80 pts.

== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (2) = 120 pts.
The Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
The Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (3) - Devourer, Pair Of Boneswords = 120 pts.
Termagant Brood (10) - Fleshborer = 50 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.

== Total ==
1200 pts.


So I would use the gaunt wall and prime w/warriors to get into assult with each vindicator one by one. But as you guys said one Vindicator will probably kill of half the gaunts and then the warriors , even if I kill one vin with this setup there are probs 2 more.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence = 260 pts.

== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (2) = 120 pts.
The Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
The Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Stinger Salvo, Toxin Sacs, Cat, Onslaught = 200 pts.
Termagant Brood (10) - Fleshborer = 50 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.

== Total ==
1200 pts.

With this one I can spam the vindicators with gaunts and the tervi to buff them. But if it goes badly it could be a lot of kill points....

My actual list is on the Tyranid army lists page " Tyranid Army List 1200 points" if you dont mind putting your oppinion up on that thread.

[yoritomo]

Actually zoanthropes are one of the best options. The 3++ save means that he will be abel to shrug off most of those demolisher cannon hits. Then his short ranged warp lance is almost as large as the cannon, so you shouldn't be taking many shots on the way in. And let's face it, a couple S10, Ap2 lance shots usually make short work of any vehicle.


If I had to deal with a bunch of vindicators I'd probably take a flyrant (with devourers of course), a couple of zoanthropes, and a few other monstrous creatures. My plan would be to deploy my troops away from the vindicator (especially warriors). I'm not talking across the table away, but at least 36". This way if he wants to shoot my troops he'll have to move out of position. Then I'd give him a couple of MCs to shoot at, I'm talking running them right up to the vindicator. Hopefully he takes the bait and does a wound or two to a trygon or something. Meanwhile my flyrant can get into position for some easy side shots and my zoanthropes step up to unleash their own version of the demolisher cannon.

Obviously this plan isn't complete as I haven't even looked at the other 90% of his army, but hopefully this give you an idea of how to go about dealing with these vindicators.

[infornography]

Note, Warp lance is AP1. So even better. 50% chance for a pen to make the tank go boom.

[vecuu]

Best ways I have found to deal with them are: Ymgarl and Lictors

I love running Lictors and Ymgarl against that kind of siegery.

My primary opponent used to run double Vindi's a long time ago, and I would lose pretty bad against them until I started popping out of the ground and eating them.

[Deadlink]

I like Yoris Idea of flooding them with MC's. Lets say its only one wound a turn to each MC or Three if he concentrats fire then My flyrant will have plenty of time to get inline of rear or side armour.

Deadlink97~