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[trygonist]

Good Morning!

I hope you're all well...it's been a very long time since I joined the Hive, alas I don't think I actually posted anything.

I need some help working on some army lists, especially from you good people on here. I'm currently finishing off a 2000pt Space marine Army and have decided that I needed a change...

As a result of still finishing the SM's my points scope for my Tyranid force is rather small. 500pts and 750pts. I do however know which direction I want to go.

The theme for my Army is Close Combat - I'm talking very little/no dakka in my force, and this is where I become stuck.

I bought two models in the past, just purely for show, a Forge World Trygon and a Carnifex, both with solely CC choices.

I need to know how to flesh out my force. I was thinking as a rough idea (I applogise I don't have my codex handy for official terms/ points etc):

Hive Tyrant - no dakka, just rending claws
Death Leaper
Hormagaunts - x15
Hormagaunts - x15

490ish points I think

So, that's the plan...like I said, I'm after very little dakka, so maybe either a Tyrannofex or a couple of Biovores (the idea being to have some heavy, long range hitters to compensate for the lack of shooting).

I hope that all makes sense.

I look forward to hearing back from you guys.

p.s I'll post a pic of my Trygon in the painting section soon to show off my colour scheme.

Trygonist

[PumpkinHead]

Welcome to the hive!

If you don't want shooting, which I advise against, you will have an uphill battle in 6th, IMO. Biovores are freakin amazing! I currently run two units of two in my lists above 1700 pts. Tyrannofexs are expensive for what they do, but if that is all you want for shooting, they will do the trick. I advice some Hive Guard as well. They aren't dakka in the sense of throwing out a lot of shots, and they will greatly help open transports so your melee units can snack on the juicy tidbits.

On your current list, I wouldn't upgrade the hive tyrant. Leave him stock with LW/BS (lash whip / bone sword) and ST (Scything Talons). Trade out his psychic powers for Biomancy, and he should eat face pretty well. Keep the Hgaunts hugging terrain as they run forward and try and get assaults where you can avoid terrain. Going at I1 will hurt them alot, especially once your opponent over watches them.

[Deadlink]

Hey, Welcome to the Hive!!

Like the Pumpkinman said 6th edition really killed cc. 40k is now a Shooty mans world. CC is a big part but lists with no Guns will have some trouble. It can be done but most games will be really hard.

500-750 points is a good little army to have but the units you are saying you want ( well I'm geussing that you are looking at them because you made a reference somewhere) won't all fit in a list of 750.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Lash Whip And Bonesword, Scything Talons, The Horror, Leech Essence = 170 pts.

== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.

== Troops ==
Hormagaunt Brood (15) - Toxin Sacs = 120 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (15) - Toxin Sacs = 120 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.

== Total ==
750 pts.

This is a 750 point list I put together that relies on CC for everything. But if it goes wrong you have the 2 Hive guard to clean up, and since it a small game your Hive guard can clean up most of it.
The Hormies , well i wanted to keep them basic to squeeze in a tyrano or fex since you said you had them. But since its a CC list the CC units need to be Cc capable. So I gave the Hormies Ts which should keep them decent in most combats. The Tyrgon is a Prime just cause your Tyrants the only synapse and he will have trouble keeping the troops together.They guard can weaken or de-transport your opponent for your hormies. They Trygon can ensue carnage and the Tyrant can follow the hormies alongside th Guard into CC.

Hope this Helps mate and good luck with your nids,

Deadlink97~

[biorivera]

Yeah I have to agree, 6th edition is pushing a shooting game and shooty nids have been getting better and better since I started 40k while CC is less and less attractive.

The hive tyrant is an excellent model- but I have to ask why rending claws? He's already a monstrous creature, and I'm not sure you should rely him to be getting in the face of any vehicles to benefit from rending because he's not exactly the fastest thing to cross the board. Perhaps your intent is to keep him cheap, but the re-rolls from scything talons is preferable from a damage dealing(mathematically) standpoint.

Your gaunts, because of synapse and being fragile beyond belief will die in droves likely to a crippling level even in just one bad round of combat. I'm assuming MeQ opponents.

I don't know if you've gotten this vibe, but my interpretation is that most people on this forum feel hormagaunts are just trash. They CAN be used effectively, but its going to be an uphill battle almost all the time. I personally feel they're horrid compared to tervigon troops which grant more gaunts- and frankly without something to screen the H-gaunts their save is going to make something like a single squad of heavy bolter havocs wipe the floor with them in the most insulting and bloody fashion possible(and since they're chaos they'll laugh too). And I mean the tervigon is arguably the best troop choice any army has available- spawns more scoring units- is a scoring MC if troop- is an EXCELLENT psychic power battery(check out the big rulebook and using biomancy powers on our guys)- this can actually make him a CC monster(because iron arm can make him potentially T9 str 8 for a turn).

Deadlink 97's list is a model list imo(if you dropped his trygon and like 2 gaunts you'd have a list under 500 as well), the hive guard gives you much needed anti-tank. Because frankly if you want to rely on CC to pop vehicles you're more than likely(imo) going to lose most of your games pretty quickly. Even the presence of anti-tank units does loads to make your opponent react and avoid them- which gives you openings for your beasties coming in CC.

What is death leaper doing in your lists(this is something you should ask yourself about every single unit as you make the list- arguably with every army but ESPECIALLY with tyranids)? I don't mean that as insolent, I'm asking you. Tyranids are very very very much about synergizing your units otherwise you will get rocked much harder than any of the newer codicies imo(chaos, SW, IG, BA, etc) because we don't have a 3+ save and frankly from a statistical/mathematical standpoint that sort of save makes a bigger difference than people have an inkling of. And the deathleaper, is okay but people take him for his special rules not his combat prowess. I don't see you bringing in reserves so I have to wonder how you plan to use him.


You may consider experimenting in the future with ygmarl stealers- but I know in 500 pts that's not easy.