Ultramarines?!?!?!? What Now........

[Deadlink]

Hey Hive,
Deadlink97 here.

So I have organised a game with a rival to be played at the end of the Holidays so, about the start of the next year.

Anyways it's a Thousand point game and although it is a long way away I need to know what my list is so I can build and Paint and base my force.

My opponent is a Ultramarines player and he has a lot of units at his disposal. I have a fair amount of guys, the only thing I dont have is Tervi's and tyranofexes....... So I don't know if that is a problem.

These are th units I have roughly( either unbuilt or glued lightly so I can re "arm" them) :

3 Hive Tyrants
1 Hive guard
2 Zoanthropes
1Myceiotic spore
About 25-30 Termagaunts Flesh borer and Devil
about 36ish Hormagaunts
10 gargoyles
1 Venomthrope
12 warriors 6 good, 6 can be patched up
2 Carnifexes both Unbuilt
2 Trygons ( Magnemetised)
8 Spore mines
about 40 Genestealersish

So yeah this is what I have and to be honest I really don't Know what to do with my models.

Can you guys Help me put together a list. Or give me a list of weapons I should be aiming to arm my nids with.

Deadlink97~

[Deadlink]

I'm really having Trouble coming up with an effective way to use troops without a tervi simply because there is no way for me toget the money to buy one if I need to paint and base my whole army for this game.

I'm thinking Baic flyrant, 2 dev's wings no upgrades.
One T.Prime for Heavy support.
2 Zoans in a pod for anti tank.
A doom in a Pod for random luck.

That leaves 210 points for Troops. The Doom, Zoan and trygon will Ds to where every nids need help while the Flyrant will zoom around and chase any scary Sm units before they make a threat to my other guys.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence = 260 pts.

== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (160 pts.)
Zoanthrope (2) = 120 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
The Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
The Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.

== Total ==
790 pts.


But what Troops should I have and How should I run them with these other guys tactically speaking?

Deadlink97~

[Lanesend]

Well, you would need some troops with staying power.
You don't have a terv at your disposal, so your troops should be handled with care, letting your other units deal with the opponent.

You could do a unit of 3 warriors for backfield objective holding. Devs, Talons and one barbed strangler will only cost you 100 points. Keep them in cover!

Also a large unit of termagants (22 for 110 points) has some staying power. But I think that you already lost a lot of points in the two MC's you have in the list (exactly 50% of 1000 points).

If you change the Trygon Prime to a normal one, you have 40 more points to put in Troops. And then you could make two units of 15 gants. (or 10 devilgaunts + 10 normal gants).

You could also think about changing the 2 zoans in a pod to 3 Hive Guard (made from 3 warriors), leaving you with an extra 10 points.
I really like zoans, but they're more for bigger games in my opinion.

[Deadlink]

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence = 260 pts.

== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (160 pts.)
Zoanthrope (2) = 120 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
The Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
The Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (100 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Devourer, Scything Talons = 60 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons = 40 pts.
Termagant Brood (11) - Fleshborer = 55 pts.
Termagant Brood (11) - Fleshborer = 55 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.

== Total ==
1000 pts.


This is what I changed it to. But If I went with 10 Devil gaunts and Ten normal one's I would have better troops just no synapse. Because if I were to lose the prime, then lose the zoans I only have warriors for back line then Doom and Tyrant for everyone else.

Thoughts?

Deadlink97~

[daffan666]

doom is just a psyker, not a synapse creature.

[Deadlink]

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence = 260 pts.

== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (160 pts.)
Zoanthrope (2) = 120 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
The Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
The Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (3) - Devourer, Scything Talons = 90 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (3) - Devourer, Pair Of Boneswords = 120 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.

== Total ==
1000 pts.

\What about This list?

[Jabberwocky]

I'd probably drop prime and the spore from the Zoans to bulk out the warriors or add some gants.

[Deadlink]

But then How would I get the Zoans into Tank range, to be honest I'm hoping to agree on purge the alien with my opponent. That way I can max the carnage and not worry about any objectives at all. Also I can bring more Elite guys and not worry as they can take on opponents and stay alive keeping their kill point and maybe tking some of the Ultramarines.

My only worry is that if I take the pod out my Zoans will need to walk, also subjecting them to guns as well as leaving the doom cut off. if the trygon dies the doom will go nuts.

What upgrades should I give my warriors if I lose the pod?

Deadlink97~

[Deadlink]

Anti Ultramarines 1000pts list

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, The Horror, Leech Essence = 260 pts.
Tyranid Prime (1) - Devourer, Scything Talons = 80 pts.

== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (2) = 120 pts.
The Doom Of Malan'tai Brood (130 pts.)
The Doom Of Malan'tai (1) = 90 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (3) - Devourer, Pair Of Boneswords = 120 pts.
Termagant Brood (10) - Fleshborer = 50 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon Prime (1) - Containment Spines, Synapse Creature, Shadow In The Warp = 240 pts.

== Total ==
1000 pts.


I will be deepstriking the Trygon, Tyrant and Doom. They can target bigger units that appera a threat.

The rest of the army Zoans, prime, warriors and gaunts can walk up the board. The Prime will join the warrior squad as an Ic to give them better shooting abilities. When they move into CC i will attach the Prime witht he gaunts as a sheild and use them either to tarpitt a dangerous Ultramarine unit or as a mobile fire base of fleshborers just to annoy the Ultramarines.

What do you guys think in general about the list?

Also how should I be using the Primes Ic perks, and should I split the Zoans into one man brood/ Should I be deepstriking the Tyrant?

Thanks,

Deadlink97~

[Jabberwocky]

Keep the Zoans together and roll on TK maybe. Gate lets you move the unit around and you can get some other funky powers. Maybe take shriek as well.

That's what I'm trying out.