1850 pt list need ideas...

[darath]

Hey Hive,
Im trying to get back into tournaments with my nids, i got a little discouraged after the release of 6th and switched armys. but i miss my bugs and want to put a list together that would put up a fight. Here is what ive come up with what do you think?

1x flyrant w/ HVC LW and Boneswordand old adversary, LE, Paroxysm
1x Swarmlord
Ymgarl Genstealers x10
2x Hive Guard Brood (2 in each brood)
2x Termagant broods (10x in each)
2x Tervigons as troops adrenal glands, TS, Dominion, Catalyst, Crushing Claws
1x Trygon Prime w/ Adrenal Glands

This is right at 1845,What do you guys think am i missing something? I used to love the doom but ive been reading and seems like the ymgarls and guard are doing better for people. Any suggestions would help! Thanks!

[roxor08]

My suggestions can start with your Swarmlord. What function is he serving in this list? He's definitely a loaner and without a set of tyrant guard he's not going to last long.

Second, the prime upgrade on the Trygon is less warranted this edition. If out of synapse and you fail it's IB testing, you gain 2 attacks on top of you base if you are charging. That's actually a buff. If you're looking for firepower, you can almost afford an additional Hive guard at the cost of the prime upgrade.

Thirdly, adrenals have lost their upgrade to initiative. Therefore, the 20 points you are spending to invest on the Tervigons (going on Int. 1 because of Crushing Claws) it's a wasted investment. With the gants....you're already wounding on a 4+ so the only advantage there is that you'd be gaining re-rolls *on the charge*.

Lastly, with a flyrant, you'd be best off investing the points in either TL-Devourers or just one set and keep the LW/BS. You're paying quite a penny to have 1 small blast shot at WS3 that is going to miss target 2/3 of the time.

So if you want to change it up a bit, you could fit in DoM with a few changes and have points to spare:

Flyrant LW/BS TL-Devourers, OA, LE, Paroxysm
Ymgarl Genestealers x10
Doom w/ Mycetic spore
2 x3 Hive guard
2 x10 Termagants
2 Tervigons w/ TS, all three powers, and Crushing Claws
Trygon

By my calculation you still have 185 points that you could do with what you'd like. My suggestion would lean towards beefing up the gant squads OR you could find an additional 15 points and afford another Trygon :-)

Good luck!

[darath]

Thanks very much i really like those changes and it get's my doom back in the list. i still like him. I am confused though i thought the tervigons only had 2 psy powers. are there other ones?

[Deleted]

HVC is garbage, I wouldn't use it if it gave me 25 points. With 6e damage chart change it can no longer pen wreck a vehicle unless it is open topped, and have fun glancing a vehicle to death with one blast a turn. -_-

AG on Trygons doesn't make much sense anymore now that they have Smash. I do think Trygons still beneft from the Prime upgrade. If they fail IB they don't get "+2" attacks, they get an additional +1 to their charge bonus, and losing the ability to direct the Trygon isn't always worth 1 extra attack. Containment Spines got better with Overwatch too, enemies have to gauge whether getting the charge on a Trygon is worth it.

I would personally use a smaller group of Ymgarls, 6-8. Keep in mind you don't want them to wipe a unit in the first round of assault, it will leave them open to take fire. Ideally they finish up the assault in the enemy phase leaving them free to assault again without getting shot up, and 10 Ymgarls will eat (please do not swear) alive fast.

I wouldn't run SL without a Guard. One can do a great job, if SL gets Iron Arm they will both use his improved T.