Trying to finalize my 2k list

[fleetofclaw]

Wow, I don't know about you guys but I've been loving 6e, so many bloody options. As per my prediction, my most successful lists make sure I've got a pile of psykers throwing down all kinds of support / killy powers around. I'm working out my primary 2k list, and shockingly, Swarmlord is in it (if anyone is familiar with my stance on him you know I'm not the hugest fan). My thoughts are at this high point total, his inefficiencies are minimized, and his strengths are played up. Sheer number of threats on the board give so much target priority problems he can shine and throw powers down like a beast, after all he is the centerpiece of my psyker heavy list (notice I didn't say spam... no 9 zoanthropes here haha).

So the idea (which has worked at midrange points) is psychic heavy list with solid troop choices and enough speed to make opponents decide between "deal with the death in my face, or the death plodding upfield." Biomancy everywhere for enfeeble (especially if I can get away with stacking as the trend is moving towards), endurance, iron arm, etc. I'm really contemplating dropping the Tyrant Guard because I've had a lot of success with Warp Speed helping a solo Swarmlord fleet upfield, and I make sure he's got Endurance from somewhere, or if I get lucky with a Telekine Dome. Enough blabber:

HQ
Swarmlord
Tyrant Guard (again, considering dropping)
Flyrant - lashwhip bonesward, TL BL Devs (I love 2x, but I also love the versatility of this build)

Elite
7x Ymgarls
2x Zthropes
2x Zthropes

Troops
10x tgants
10x tgants
Tervigon - TS, AG, ScyTals, 3x powers
Tervigon - TS, AG, ScyTals, 3x powers
4x TS stealers + Broodlord w/ Scytals

Fast
5x Shrikes - lashwhip & bonesword, TS

22 Powers rolled for, 10 casts / turn.

Yeah, no crushing claws on the Tervigons. I just can't get her in combat consistently enough to warrant the points, she's so good with support and herding the little stuff along. This could change with experimentation at this point level.

Anyway, this puts me at 1929 SO options I'm considering
10x TS Gargoyles
making 1 tgant brood in to a 12 man Dgant brood
filling out the toxin stealer brood or ymgarls
make the Shrikes 6 man and add a few more tgants

I can also drop the Tyrant Guard as I mentioned (seriously if I do take him his job is to die ASAP so Swarmy can fleet haha) and that gives me more flexibility to make a bigger Gargoyle screen, more Ymgarls, etc etc.

What are your thoughts?

[vecuu]

I think dropping the TGuard to be a poor choice and would consider using your leftover points to buy Ole Swarmy a second friend.

[lordbob]

I also wouldn't the guard because he gives the extra wounds during the time that he is going to need going upfield, warp speed can give him the fleet, but by the time he gets in range to assault, the guard will probably be dead anyway, serving his purpose of being ablative wounds.

I don't know what you are really hoping to accomplish with the genestealers, but I have seen small squads with suped upped broodlords do quite well (basically TS, AG on whole squad and then upgrade the broodlord, and then just use the genestealers themselves ablative wounds). But I don't how much 1 squad is actually going to do.

You might want to go with the gargoyles in order to give the shrikes cover.

[Jabberwocky]

I run Swarmy solo fine with FMCs ahead of him drawing most fire. Whether you need Guard really comes down to your opponents army. If he is taking down a 5W CC unit which will almost certainly be buffed, then he is using time he probably cannot spare taking from taking out those Troop Tervs. If he has poison/dark lances coming out the wazoo, Guard are probably more necessary.

I like it overall. I'd maybe just bulk up the stealers.

[fleetofclaw]

Nov 13, 2012 4:16:52 GMT vecuu said:

I think dropping the TGuard to be a poor choice and would consider using your leftover points to buy Ole Swarmy a second friend.

Yeah definitely handy for the 2 ablative wounds while slogging forward. However, the 2nd friend is definitely not going to happen, being stuck at T6 is not worth the 2 more wounds.

Nov 13, 2012 6:10:14 GMT lordbob said:

I don't know what you are really hoping to accomplish with the genestealers, but I have seen small squads with suped upped broodlords do quite well (basically TS, AG on whole squad and then upgrade the broodlord, and then just use the genestealers themselves ablative wounds). But I don't how much 1 squad is actually going to do.

You might want to go with the gargoyles in order to give the shrikes cover.

The ideal situation for my Broodlord commando is to infiltrate him and drop a first turn enfeeble, making my Flyrants dakka that much nastier. From there on out obviously hugging cover, taking out targets of opportunity, tying up shooty units I don't want gunning down my MC's. I would love to squeeze a second broodlord in the list but I've become a big fan of Ymgarls, they just cause so many deployment / backfield problems for the oponnent who is trying to focus on the nastiness advancing on their frontlines; and they're great in tandem with the infiltrating genestealers and the flyrant, shrikes, and gargoyles (if I go that route).

Speaking of gargoyles... yeah I'm torn between that, or with some tweaking I can turn one of my tgant broods in to a brood of 16 devilgants, which is just SO nasty on an enfeebled target (especially if swarmy throws preferred enemy on them). Cover is rarely a problem for my Shrikes since I use their speed mostly to for getting them to cover. The gargoyles would be screening a big bug until they can tie something up early game.

Nov 13, 2012 12:53:39 GMT Jabberwocky said:

I run Swarmy solo fine with FMCs ahead of him drawing most fire. Whether you need Guard really comes down to your opponents army. If he is taking down a 5W CC unit which will almost certainly be buffed, then he is using time he probably cannot spare taking from taking out those Troop Tervs. If he has poison/dark lances coming out the wazoo, Guard are probably more necessary.

I like it overall. I'd maybe just bulk up the stealers.

I agree Jabberwocky, the solo Swarmy is definitely viable. It does suck when someone drops three lascannon shots on him from a Vendetta, then I'm definitely wishing he had a little friend with him, but more often I'm just annoyed at how slow and unwieldy the tguard makes me and how expensive those 2 wounds were. Plus this list presents plenty of other threats. If I was smart I'd probably ditch him altogether and make him a full dakka flyrant, but the big bastid is growing on me and I'm allowed to be a victim of cool factor once in a while (that's why I started Nids in the first place right?).

Thank you all for your thoughts, definintely taking it in to consideration.

What are your thoughts on taking the Ymgarls to 8, dropping the Tyrant Guard, and turning 10 tgants in to 16 devilgants? Am I fracturing my tactics too much or does that give me some much needed anti-horde dakka support? Or just stick with beefing up my original lists #'s + a gargoyle screen?