Ymgarl questions

[raylorne]

Hey all,

Since i'm trying to make the most out of my limited troop selection ymgarl genestealers are playing a pretty integral role in my army lists. Thusly I'd like to learn how to make the best of them.

Tonight I got them out in the third round and with +1 attack I wiped out a unit of space marines before getting taken down by a terminator squad two rounds later. I was just wondering if there's an ideal way to use the mutations. I've read +1 toughness is the way to go opening round, but I haven't had enough chance to test it out myself.

Additionally do I have to tell my opponent what terrain they're in when I make my reserve roll? My first game using them I screwed up and did that then failed my roll. Needless to say my opponent avoided that piece of terrain and my ymgarls were pretty useless when they came out.

Any other pointers and tips for this unit will also be appreciated.

Thanks.

[elitemaster]

you dont have to tell them anything till after they show up. you wright it on paper and when they show up then you show them where they are. you want to go with the +1 T to make it harder for them to get killed from over watch and during combat. if you are still in combet the next round during your oppoents turn go +1 A so you have a batter chanes to kill all of them. then go back to +1 T and keep that same thing going. the only time you need to use the +1 S is to kill vehicle armoured 13 and 14. run them in units of 8 that is a good size unit not to big and not to small.

[infornography]

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This is all accurate.
you only reveal their location when you put them on the board. In general I have them pop out of terrain that is close to an opponent's long range squishies. Like devastator squads or lootas or biovores, etc. Against IG I often have them deal with some of their long range vehicles. Avoid walkers unless you have nothing else that can deal with them.

If you are worried about ork retaliation at a lower initiative, like from say slugga boyz, going +A the first round isn't a bad plan if you are fairly sure they will have the boyz left to keep you in melee the next round.

I always go +S when assaulting vehicles though, it gives you the possibility of getting a glance on a 5 against AV10 which makes a huge difference. Basically doubles the likelihood of getting hull points removed.

One thing that also helps is to have several things in reserve with them such as flyrants, doom in a pod, trygon deep striking, etc. and always have one tyrant with hive commander or a swarmlord to increase the likelihood of everything coming in turn 2.

[kippawah]

Just reinforcing the idea that the survival of your Ymgarls largely depends on whether you can stay in combat by the end of your turn, so that your opponent can't shoot them, and also, if you have at least 2 other targets that have showed up during the same reserve round.

The more units you have closing the gap or even dropping into the midst of your opponents forces, will usually spread their firepower thin enough so that your most fragile may survive.

For instance, a unit of Ymgarls, a Doom in a spore and a Trygon all coming in on the same reserve round means your opponent's target priority just got more complicated. 3 different levels of nasty.

Ymgarls are assault kings, but are still fragile and small in number of models.

Doom in a spore shows up next to a few of his infantry units and immediately sucks up enough wounds through his passive leech ability to wave his 10W, 3++, 4T head around. Your opponent knows that it just takes one failed S8 save to get rid of him. Doom is a great disruption unit.

Trygon is a monster that, left unaddressed, can tackle nearly any unit on the board. Tank, transport, elite infantry, heavy weapons squads, etc. It can usually take more than 1 turn of shooting for your opponent to deal 6 unsaved wounds to the Trygon.


Keeping these points in mind, will allow you to better close the gap on your opponent, instead of just walking across the board getting shot at for 3 turns. By the time your opponent has addressed your reserves, it's normally right when the rest of your army has closed the gap into CC range.