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[baconslice]

Hi there, I'm looking to make a 1500 point monster list ( I know it's not very viable but it's more for fun) I've got the tervigon and termies to cover the troop choice. The swarm lord, and the trygon/ prime. But what would people recommend getting next? I never here anyone mention the tyranofex?

[kenji10000]

Lots of monsters is pretty viable IMHO.

Seems like you have a good start, what kind of monsters theme are you going for?

Maybe post a test list so people can help you improve, that way we're not just giving a list ya know?

[vecuu]

If you're running a Swarmlord at 1500, along with 1-2 Tervigons as troops, assuming you want some Hive Guard for can-opening, you don't really get much extra room for MCs. Since Swarmy doesn't have much range, I'd be tempted to look into a Dakkafex or two.

Also, this thread explains why not a lot of people take the TFex

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Tactics&action=display&thread=41285

[baconslice]

Thanks for the advice,
Ok so my first quick list was,
HQ
Swarm lord 280
Flyrant TL devourers

Troops
10 termies 50
Tervigon c claws 185

Heavy
Trygon prime 240
Dakkafex 190
Tyrannofex 265

That brings me to about 1470; so room for a little upgrade, we're saying the tfex is no good, so what to swap it for.
Thx

[Ragged Warrior]

Hey, baconslice,

I'm a T-fex fan, as you could probably tell by the thread. It's not that the T-fex is no good--he just plays differently. I would advise you to try him out; he's a tough cookie that won't go down easy, and acid spray (with it's special template rule) is pretty cool.

I like your list. Like vecuu said, Dakkafex is a great MC. And having Swarmy AND a Dakka Flyrant is super scary. Try your list out as it is, do some upgrading (give an MC regen) and let us know how it goes. At the end of the day, if you're fielding an army that you have fun playing, then mission accomplished--you'll figure out how it plays along the way.

Good luck with your battle!

Let us know how it goes.

[Lanesend]

I will offer some small advice.
Drop the Prime from the Trygon. That leaves you with 70 points to play with. That can buy you a Tyrant Guard for Swarmy.

The swarmlord is best with one guard, if you manage to get Iron Arm on him, because of the majority for thoughness rule.

Looks like a very fun list anyways. Good luck with it!

[lordbob]

Yes, drop the prime from the trygon, while it does have it's advantages in this edition, you have more than enough synapse, plus I would also add toxin sacs to the trygon.

Add toxin sacs and adrenal glands to the tervigon; they're pretty much mandatory on it, for the buffs to the gants and to itself. Buy psychic powers, atleast 1 more, and then swap them for biomancy (actually I recommend doing that for all your monstrous creatures). Drop the Tfex and add another squad of gants and another tripped out tervigon, gives you 4 troops and the benefit of making more troops, in a 1500 point game this will do very well for you.

Alternatively you can drop the Tfex for another trygon, running them in pairs works quite well.

If you're going to go for as many monstrous creatures as possible you'll have to use your flyrant to swoop up the board to take care of outlying tanks. Though I love the swarmlord, in this list he isn't adding too much, especially without a bodyguard, and don't have the points or force org space to add one; so instead I recommend changing the swarmlord to another flyrant

[GuardDog78]

Another simple option for those remaining 30 points...buy the 2 powers for the tervigon to give you more rolls on the psyker tables. Iron arm on a tervigon drives most of my opponents crazy trying to take him down...and if you get ensemble or endurance as well...its nice to have those options to benefit your gant.
As for the t-fex...believe me...I want to love'em...and I occasionally field one...but they just never seem to shine like hope...the 2+ is nice though...but the point cost is just painfully for what yout get... The only time he worked exceptionally well was against my friends eldar...he had a thing for fielding a bunch of Pathfinders..practically no armor...but a 2+ cover save ...the acid spray template took out two squads in two rounds....SWEET! But again...situational.

[baconslice]

Great responses guys thanks. Ok so how about this?
HQ
Swarm lord w/ tyrant guard 340
Flyrant w/ TL Devs

Troops
2x 10 termies 100
2x tervigons w/ crush claws, extra psy power. 400

Heavy
Trygon w/ adrenal glands 210
Dakka fex 190

1500pts

Couple of opinions, is it really worth dropping something for toxin sacs/ adrenal glands for the tervigons. Also how does the 2 x TL devourers work? 12 shots a turn but you can fire twice as its a MCs?

[Lanesend]

The twin devourers fire 6 twinlinked shots per set.
So one MC with two sets of devourers, fire 12 (twinlinked) shots.

The Toxinc sacs on the Tervigon are mostly there to buff the termagants. The Tervi can do without herself, because of the high strenght smash attacks, which she will be using against bigger targets.

Same goes for the Trygon, although he will lose more attacks if he uses smash.

If you are looking for a way to spend those last 10 points, I'd give one of the Tervigons TS.

With 6 monsters, I wouldn't worry too much about the damage output of the smaller gaunts, but try and keep them alive for as long as possible.

Happy Killing!

[lordbob]

Don't do adrenal glands on the trygon, they're already S6 so they wound most things on 2s, anything they can't you just use smash instead, and having the extra strength won't help against vehicles anymore. Put on toxin sacs instead.

Drop the claws on the tervigons for toxin sacs and adrenal glands. I'm an advocate of claws, but in this case there's nothing else you could drop to get the spare points.

No, you can only fire each gun once, but you've got 2 (effectively, really you've got 4 of them, but each set makes them twin-linked) of them and you can fire both, so you've got 12 twin linked shots.

[Anggul]

While Adrenal Glands were always the go-to upgrade for Trygons, the nerf to Furious Charge means they don't get +1 Initiative on the charge any more, which is why we took them. I would suggest either swapping them for Toxin Sacs on said Trygon or on a Tervigon.

[GuardDog78]

Honestly...i run my trygons bare because as mentioned above...adrenaline provides a very limited benefit...i'd use those 10 points for either toxic on a tervi...or a lashwhip on the guard and one more gant. But i tend to play enough high initiative armies to warrant the LW...so it depends on what you're facing...

[fleetofclaw]

Especially with all of the other MCs around I don't feel like the tyrant guard is necessary for the swarmlord. He is incredibly tough on his own and if you roll fleet on the biomancy table it's great for getting you in to the mix faster, and the tyrant guard would just negate it. It's not always a bad idea to have a tyrant guard, just in this case it's not that necessary and would even give you points for a nice screening brood of gargoyles.

Just my two cents.


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[GuardDog78]

See...just one more reason why Tyranids are better to play than marines...so much more variety to choose from...