1000 pt Casual Tourney Ork List

[FTGTEvan]

Hi All! I'm brushing the dust off my Orks and hoping to have them (and their new mates) ready for a little tournament at my local store the first weekend in December. The couple times I've been it's been a pretty casual event, so I'm mostly interested in having fun, but competitive isn't bad.

Anyway, I'm coming from a Kult of Speed list origin, but thinking about ditching most of it and footslogging it. (Games are played on 4x4 boards, btw). Without further ado, here's what I was thinking:

HQ: 95 pts
Warboss Gnashrak: Power Klaw, 'eavy armor, bosspole

Elites: 75 pts
5 Tankbustas

Troops: 496 pts
5 Nobs: 1 Power klaw, 'eavy armor, Waaagh! Banner
10 'Ard Boyz: big shoota, Nob with power klaw, bosspole
12 Boyz: big shoota, nob
12 boyz: big shoota, nob

Fast Attack: 333 pts
14 Stormboyz: Nob
3 Warbikes
2 Warbuggies: Rokkits

Total: 999pts

What else I have:

4 more Nobz
5 Burnas
7 more Tankbustas
10 more Boyz w/slugga and choppa
3 more Stormboyz
1 Skorcha
2-3 deffkoptas (in various states of completion - assuming I can find them)
2 Battlewagons (similar to deffkoptas)
1 Looted wagon with big gun
3-4 Trukks

Let me know what you think/suggestions. Thanks!

[FTGTEvan]

Turns out I won't be making the tournament this month, which is probably a good thing, since I haven't painted anything in a couple weeks. Anyway, will enter the January tournament, and in the mean time, have tweaked my list:

HQ: 185 pts.
Warboss: Power Klaw, 'eavy armor
Big Mek: Shokk Attack gun

Troops: 531 pts
5(6?) Nobz: 'eavy armor, Waaagh! Banner, Painboy
10 'Ard Boyz: 'eavy armor, big shoota, Nob with power klaw and bosspole
17 Boyz: Sluggas and choppas, big shoota, Nob
15 Boyz: Sluggas and choppas, big shoota, Nob
10 Stormboyz: Nob

Heavy Support: 150 pts
3 Killa Kans: Rokkits

I do have a question about the Painboy in the Nobz; does the points cost indicate he replaces a Nob, or that he is added on to the unit. If it is the former I will probably drop him since that is an extremely steep points cost for him.

[robomummy]

the painboy replaces the nob.

what is the main thing you are trying to achieve with this list? it looks like you are trying to run a horde infantry list but your list doesnt seem to be able to do the job.

Warboss- pretty good, keep him cheap and hits hard with a PK. he will draw alot of fire though so make sure you put him in a squad.

Big mek- Shokk attack gun is loads of fun but is not reccomended for tournaments. if you must take one then make sure it has a Kustom Force field to give your boyz those much needed cover saves.

Nobz- I really dont see any reason for these guys in your list, they eat up too many points for a horde list and their lack of numbers will really hurt them in small point values with no transport. they will most likley never make it across the board.

'Ard boyz- no rason to include these guys. for an 'ard boy you can include another 1 1/2 boyz into your list. with orks quantity is it's own quality. the 'ard boyz only have a 4+ save and in such a small group will be killed quickly.

Boyz- give them shootas, they are assault weapons with 2 shots each giving them an effective range of 24" and a possibility of 5 attacks each (2 when shooting, 3 when assaulting) rather than the 4 CC attacks. run them in larger squads (20-30) so they can afford to loose some models until they get into range.

Stormboyz: these are fast attack and really not worht their points. they are assault focused troops who cant assault the turn they come in. if you must take them then take zagstrukk so you can assault the turn you come in but personally in a tournament i'd avoid taking them.

Killa kanz- too slow and with 2 HP each they will not last long.

your list seems very unfocused. units I would reccomend:
-lootas: no warboss should be without them they can take out heavy infantry, light infantry, light armour, basically anything but armor 14 vehicles.
-Trukks: They get you to your opponent faster and are cheap. even if they are blown up they have already gotten you closer. plus the kareen rule is hilarious and life saving.
-Battlewagons: front armor 14, need i say more? dont give them anything and use them as a bunker for 20 shoota boyz. I usually give them 4x big shootas as well so they can unleash up to 52 shots on anything within 18" or 12 S5 shots on anything within 48". put down 2 of these and you have some good area denial bunkers for infantry. with 52 shots you can go though terminators eventually.

If you really want to go through with a full assault list then run a green horde. 3x units of 30 boyz (at a minimum) and just load up your army with full sized squads of orks in order to just put as many models on the table as possible. this will amke sure you can lose some unis and still have enough.

what do you want to accomplish with these units and what armies will you mainly be facing? this info will help alot.

[FTGTEvan]

Thanks for the input. The list is partly based on what I have available, though it's not everything I have by any means. Also, my main intention in playing Orks is to have fun and just a bit nuts.

My original collection was actually a Speed Freeks list back in 3rd ed from the Armageddon book, so I have plenty of trukks to load up in. I unfortunately don't have anyone with shootas since when I first put them together rapid fire ork weapons were basically useless. I've since picked up a bunch of boyz from the AoBR sets, which also don't have shootas. I do have the bits and a bunch of old Gorkamorka and Goff boyz so I might hack some of them up and give them Shootas since I can see they're a lot more valuable now.

The Shokk-Attack gun is mostly for fun, because I found the old model, so I won't feel bad dropping him. My instinct is to go back a bit closer to my original list, but mount up everyone, add more boyz and a Battle wagon, and drop most if not all the non-troops units. I'm having a bit of a game night tonight to tweak stuff, and will probably be changing my mind right up until we set up the board.

Thanks for the input, I'll post up what I go with in my next game and thoughts on where I might go from there.

[FTGTEvan]

Ok, after revisiting my list I've come up with the following:

Warboss: power klaw, 'eavy armor
5 Lootas: Mek
6 Nobz: 'eavy armor, Waaagh! banner, painboy
10 'Ard boyz: Big shoota, nob with power klaw, bosspole
20 boyz: 2 big shootas, nob
10 Stormboyz: nob
Battlewagon: red paint job, 2 big shootas, 2 rokkit launchas
Trukk: (boss and nobz) Red paint job, wreckin' ball
Trukk: ('ard boyz) red paint job, armor plates

1000 points on the nose.

I'm considering also dropping the battle wagon for two trukks and splitting the 20 boyz into two 11-12 boy squads. Or, dropping the stormboyz for a squad of 2 boyz with a trukk. Or both of the above.

Also, on the Painboy thing, I asked if he was in addition or an upgrade because 1.) it doesn't say "upgraded to" like it does for nobz in regular squads, and 2.) one of the sample armies in the colored section has Nobz with a painboy and the points as given break down to being a separate model. Granted, I've never really trusted those samples to be accurate and correspond exactly, but that combined with the seemingly astronomic price and ambiguous wording makes me wonder.

[robomummy]

with a number of orks that low you definatly want to go for more of a speed freaks army. the amount of orks you have will flee off the table after a little bit of shooting.

warboss- pretty good, hard hittting and not expensive. the PK makes him S8 but for 15pts less you can give him a Big choppa and he will still be S7

lootas- unless you really want it i'd ditch the mek, that just gets rid of a deffgun and doesnt help unless your in a vehicle. maybe get an unupgraded battlewagon for these guys to sit in and act as a mobile bunker since lootas are always a big target.

Nobz- not bad, in a trukk popping out in their face it can get pretty nasty. the only concern i have with them is the lack of any real weapons. give them Big choppas for 5 points and you get S7 attacks agaisnt whatever you want to hit. I can see them doing some damage just watch out for overwatch.

'Ard boyz- ditch these guys, 10 will die very quickly and without the benefit of the mob rule from having more then 10 they are no longer fearless. use the points on a larger squad of more boyz. a 4+ armour save may seem nice but the points would be better spent elsewhere in this case. if you really must take them at least bump them up to a unit of 12 so they gain fearless but 10pts for an ork with a 4+ save is just too much for what it can do.

boyz- a good solid choice, I always make sure i have squads of 20+ unless they ride in trukks. give them a bosspole though so they wont run away as easily.

stormboyz- I never really saw the usefulness of stormboyz without zagstrukk, all they can do here is fly down and shoot. then they need to wait until the next turn to assault and by that time you opponent has most likley killed them. I would ditch these for something more useful. if it were up to me i'd drop them but if you want to run them they can make a decent (but expensive) distraction.

Battlewagon- go with all rokkits or all shootas, give it a defined roll to play or else you are wasting half of its potential firepower (see comment about lootas)

trukks- too many upgrades, stick with just red paint because they will not last long.

You seem to have a distinct lack of anti-armor in your list, maybe consider bringing back the tankbustas in a vehicle?

also yes the painboy is an upgrade and takes the place of one of the nobz.

[FTGTEvan]

Thanks for the feedback robomummy! Honestly half the reason for the PK on the warboss is because I tend toward WYSIWYG and that's what the model has. I think I might take a stab at converting another I have with the attack squig (or just buying another, or just subbing in a Nob). I didn't relish going at I1, even with a Nob bodyguard and FnP.

I think I decided soon after making that list to drop the stormboyz for a squad of 12 boyz with a trukk. New list looks like this:

Warboss: big choppa, 'eavy armor, attack squig, bosspole
5 Lootas
10 Tankbustas in a trukk w/red paint
6 nobz: big choppas and 'eavy armor, Waaagh! Banner, painboy, mounted in a trukk with red paint
20 Boyz: Nob, 2 big shootas
12 boyz: Nob with bosspole, big shoota, trukk with red paint
Battlewagon: 4 big shootas, red paint


I guess my remaining questions are:

Do I keep the painboy or add another nob for the same points? FnP with them and the Warboss would be nice, but would I save 2 wounds and make up for the slightly added punch?

Generally about the Tankbustas: They're pricey and while I definitely need Anti-armor, are they the best way? I could drop them and add another battlewagon for the lootas with 4 rokkits and have points left over to add a nob or loota or two. Then again, 10 rokkits packs a pretty good punch, even at BS2, and they give me more numbers despite their price.

Thanks again for all the help.

[robomummy]

i would keep the painboy, its expensive but the benefits from it are worth it, it'll make the squad more durable.

tankbustas are not the best anti-tank unit but they will help if thats all the AT you have. personally I ignore any 14 armour vehicles unless they become a real problem, then you send a squad to bog them down. 5 tankbustas should do and a bomb squig can be invaluble and hilarious if you have the points. take out 5 of the tankbustas and put them in the battlewagon, then switch the shootas on the BW for rokkits and you have something almost equally effective as the 10 tankbustas for less points. then you can use the points for more boyz.

also if you are not bound to wysiwyg then go with shoota boyz (if you are then its fine and ignore this). the shootas basically double the boyz effective range and then you wont need to get out of the trukk or can shoot and assault the same squad giving them 5 attacks each instead of 4 (3 on charge, gun is assault 2).

other then that it looks good for 1000 points, orks definatly do better in larger point games but this list will stomp some humies.