1500 BA

[gigasnail]

game tomorrow, wanted to try BA for the first time in 6th. this is only my 2nd stab at a BA list ever really, and 2nd game with them too. dave is bringing his orks again, but a different list. he beat my CSM last time (due to insane rolling w/ lootas and actually using tactis aside from 'drive forward till i hit something, then kill it.' hats off to him it was a great game!), so i'm happy to have to step my game up.

still getting used to power armor costs again after 2 years with nids. makes my eyes bleed, it does. anyway, here is the list:

1500 BA

hq
libby, jump pack, force sword

elites
X7 sternguard, sgt w/ combiflamer, drop pod
X7 sternguard, sgt w/ combiflamer, drop pod
X2 sanguinary priests, each with a power sword

troops
X10 assault marines, sgt w/ melta bombs
X10 assault marines

stormraven gunship, TL heavy bolter, TL plasma cannon, extra armor
stormraven gunship, TL heavy bolter, TL plasma cannon, extra armor

deployment options, to avoid the tabling from the very sad reserve rules first turn, can combat squad the assault marines to have up to 4 jump pack units on the ground, embarked on the stormchikkens, or some combination thereof, possibly with the sang priests providing FNP for the guys on the ground if i feel it's needed. if facing a strong shooting army could deploy the birds empty and have both units full 10 man strong with a priest each. 23 power armor guys with FNP should be difficult to dislodge in one round.

the sternguard are there to pod in and destroy heavy weapons units with a combination of ignores cover ammo and combiflamers; after that deal with the next priority of fire.

ideal deployment would be to have the priests with them but this is going to depend on opposing army deployment, force composition/first turn threat, and available cover.

gun ships come in to wreck enemy armor (heavy armor with missiles, light vehicles with plasma/HB fire) then mop up what's left.

still not pleased with only 2 troops; but at least have the option for 4 with combat squad. also have the two heavies for big guns.

will post batrep tomorrow night.

[gigasnail]

chaos counts as BA victory, 5-2! bat rep in tactics section.

[paxmiles]

Just a heads up on the half reserves thing, it's only a loss if no models are on the table at the end of turn 1. You can feature pod units which and turn 1 to bypass the auto-loss.

Units that must reserve, are also not counted to 1/2 reserves things, nor are their dedicated transport's cargo and any attached ICs (See FAQ).

So, In your list, only the JP troops are counted, as the pod units and SRs are not included in the 1/2 reserves. So, really, your reserves are 2 Assault squads and 1 JP libby, with only half of those needing to be on the table for turn 1.

Anyway, if having trouble with lootas, you really should look into a land raider (CSM or otherwise). They can't hurt it. Orks have lots of trouble with land raiders, especially if you sink their deff rollas and screen their assault units.

You can just walk units behind the LR, as it can conceal quite a bit. JP troops are best like this, but really any good assault unit can be more impressive if it arrives (mostly) undamaged.
-Pax

[gigasnail]

edit: just re-read the victory conditions section. i had thought that if at the end of any player turn you had no models on the board, you lost. this is not the case, it is any game turn. thanks for pointing that out.

in the meantime,two units of 10 power armor guys have proven fairly difficult to dislodge in one turn for my regular opponents. i'm not worried about it so much now. batrep is up in the tactics section.

and it's not so much i am having difficulty with lootas, it's just that they're something that must be dealt with. when i played this list last time, i killed 8/12 turn one, and wiped the other when my other pod came in. my problem then was not having 3 pods in the list so that i got my pick of specialist troops turn one. that's been handled now.

my next thing is to decide to keep combi-flamers on the sternguard sgts, or go with combi-melta for a more well-rounded threat. dunno yet.

[Squire]

I can only imagine sternguard and stormravens are expensive units because that seems like a tiny army for 1500 points. If I were you I'd be looking to at least squeeze another tactical squad or scout squad in to boost your troops a bit

[gigasnail]

there's nowhere near enough room to squeeze another squad of, well, anything in.

[gigasnail]

made the changes i had considered, seems to work well. won a 1500 game vs. codex marines but my friend kind of derped hard, battle report's not really much, i just kind of raped and pillaged his army to death while he shot at drop pods instead of my flyers or scoring units.

current list is:


1500 BA

hq
libby, jump pack, force sword

elites
X7 sternguard, sgt w/ combimelta, drop pod
X7 sternguard, sgt w/ combifmelta, drop pod
X2 sanguinary priests, each with a power sword

troops
X10 assault marines, melta, sgt w/ melta bombs
X10 assault marines, X2 melta, drop pod

stormraven gunship, TL MM, TL plasma cannon
stormraven gunship, TL MM, TL plasma cannon