4th Ed. Army in a 6th Ed. world....

[playskool]

I am getting back into Warhammer. I have not played since 4th ed.
My army was geared toward "fast as I can move/ melee." I need advice about my army and best ways to use. My army is magnetized on Warriors up, so weapons/ biomorphs/ wings are not a problem with configuration on these models.

Hive Tyrant x2
Hive Guard x2
Lictor x1
Zoanthrope x2
Rippers x3 bases
Gaunts x16
Hormagaunts x40
Genestealers x20 w/Scything Talons
Genestealers x20
Genestealers x8 w/Feeding Tendrils (Ymgarl)
Broodlord x1
Warriors x7
Raveners x2
Carnifex x1

I mainly ran with one Flyrant and all my Warriors winged (Shrikes). The Hormagaunts ran meat shield to get all of my Genestealers into action.
I really like the idea of a very fast Tyranid army specializing in melee. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

[madman37]

Using what you own, I would try:
HQ
-Hive Tyrant - TL Devs, Bonesword & Lashwhip, Hive Commander, Armoured Shell
2 Tyrant Guard (I am assuming you have Tyrant Guard as Hive Guard weren't around in 4th)

-Tyranid Prime - scything talons and devourer

TROOPS
-4 genestealers with Broodlord
-16 devourer gaunts with spore pod
-25 Hormagaunts
-25 Hormagaunts

ELITES
-2 Zoans - for synapse
-8 Ymgarl

This should be 1495 points

[nidzy]

Flyrants are very solid in 6th ed, with the new flying monstrous creature rules. I would definitely suggest converting one of those tyrants to a flyrant if you haven't already. I like at least one set of devourers on then, but lw/bs is a good upgrade to include if you are running on one set. This makes a pretty solid "all round" flyrant especially if you choose to roll on biomancy and end up with something tasty (looking at iron arm, warp speed or even endurance as very solid results).

Stealers took a big hit in on being able to assault after arriving via outflank. However, if you back them up with a shooty outflanker (lke a group of warriors with prime attached, outflanked using hive commander) you can take some of the shooting heat off and still assault the turn after arrival. The broodlord adds more psychic powers to your brood, and he is a deadly challenge fighter with the right loadout and can thus tie units up for extra turns, or neuter their ability to put out damage. Consider starting the brood with infiltrate, or to push a flank rather than outflanking, especially if going second as they can assault on your first turn if the opponent overextends themselves.

Ymgarl are always useful. Pick your target carefully, and watch it dissipate:)

I know you are shooting for an assault army, but shooting is more valuable than ever in this edition. For example, there is no way to assault a flier. Vector Strike is as close as we get. Find a good balance with some shooting output, and a strong assault core to keep to your roots and run with it.

[playskool]

Apologies for delay in thanking you all for your advice. I hope that you will be able to read this still.

I have struggled hard for the first few games trying to get my head around fighting a different fight with my Nids.... However, I have found success in light of the information you guys have shared.

The evolution of my mindset is in motion.... I now use my homogaunts and genestealers as distractions and warriors for addition of some shooty, I have also discovered that Mysetic Spore dropping big things is not only effective but down right scary.... The combo that I use is with the Lictors pheromone trail (i finally have a use for him)... Doom of Malan'tai rocks when dropped in...

Flyrant w/ 2x TL Devourer
Swarmlord
Tyrant Guard x2
Lictor x1
Doom of Malan'Tai (Mycetic Spore)
YmGarls x10 (how do you pronounce that... lol)
Shrikes 2 @ x3 w/Deathspitters... 1 each BarbedStrangler
Hormogaunts 2 @ x10
Genestealers 2 @ x10 each w/Broodlord
Genestealers 2 @ x10 each w/Broodlord (Mycetic Spore)
Carnifex w/Crushing Claws and StrangleThorn (Mycetic Spore)

Obviously I am looking for advice on how to trim this down to a lower point value game (1500 - 2000pts). I really like idea of YmGarls and Mycetic Spore attacks

Thanks guys for taking the time to read this....

[lordofthebrood]

Carnifexen are no longer our best friend... That's the first thing you need to know. They're not fast enough and are too expensive.

Lictors are (mainly) useless. If you want the pheromone trail for reserves arriving on a 2+ then get the hive commander upgrade for the tyrant, or just have the swarmlord which gets hive commander automatically.

Genestealers are also less useful nowadays. They just march forwards and die in droves.

From experience, small broods of hormagaunts take one round of shooting and die. T3 with a 6+ save is squishy. You want 15-20 in a squad.

Ymgarl is pronounced Yum-Garl (well, that's how people at my club say it).

Still, Hive Guard, The Doom, Tervigons, Ymgarls and the Flyrant are VERY good.

Personally I'm a bit skeptical about the Swarmlord, he's pretty expensive. Still, he definitely does wreck almost anything in combat.