Hive guard vs Warriors

[megadeth321]

I've played a couple 500 point games earlier this week and I found I was at a loss in ranged capabilities. I fielded a Prime w/ devourer, 2 Hive Guards, a Zoanthrope, hormagaunts and geenstealers. To be honest, I should have put on termagants instead of genestealers to escort the hormagaunts, I've never played warrior before and I was wondering what they were like as a ranged unit compared to that of the hive guard. One problem I felt was that I only had the zoanthrope to provide synapse for the HG. How could I provide synapse for my HG and gaunts as well?

[hadriel]

Oct 28, 2012 23:09:18 GMT megadeth321 said:

I've played a couple 500 point games earlier this week and I found I was at a loss in ranged capabilities. I fielded a Prime w/ devourer, 2 Hive Guards, a Zoanthrope, hormagaunts and geenstealers. To be honest, I should have put on termagants instead of genestealers to escort the hormagaunts, I've never played warrior before and I was wondering what they were like as a ranged unit compared to that of the hive guard. One problem I felt was that I only had the zoanthrope to provide synapse for the HG. How could I provide synapse for my HG and gaunts as well?

at 500 points i use a tervigon for a HQ, as i am not o much of a fan of the warriors, and your opponent will be hard pressed to stop a tervigon with iron arm at 500 points.

i used this list
HQ
Tervigon- with talons and 3 psychic powers

Elite
hive guardx2

troop
Devilgauntx10
Devigaunt x 10

495 total

i keep the gaunts infront of the terivgon for a screen unit and just march up the board with the hive guards in the back a good distance behind so i still have room for spawned gaunts, I used this list in a Campaign and never lost a game with the hive guards dealing with all the armor i came across since i didn't see to much av 13 and 14 at 500 points so Zoans weren't really needed.

for the most part i found people just gave up for lack of being able to deal with the amount of spawned gaunts i was putting out and there wasn't really anything that could deal with the iron armed terivgon.

i hope that gives you some advice on a list or otherunit options to run

[deadeight]

Seeing as you have a prime, consider sticking it in a warrior brood. I've had some success with using a unit of:

1x Tyranid Prime w/ Deathspitter
4x Tyranid Warrior w/ Deathspitter
1x Tyranid Warrior w/ Barbed Strangler


I think the deathspitters are definitely worth the points.

The tyranid prime gives all the warriors it's WS 6, BS 4. Nice buff. Regeneration is only 10 points on a prime as well so you can stick it up front and take some wounds, do some "look out sir!" stuff, and regen.

That might be a lot of points in a 500 point game though, as that unit alone comes to like 265 points. I've found them surprisingly good in some 1k games. It's the only way I run warriors. I have tried with rending claws as a CC unit but didn't really get on with them.

[stinckpickle]

if you can figure out how to keep them alive then Lash Whip, Bone Sword, Toxin Sacs is really good. A unit of four can take out a whole tact squad in one assault phase. theyre really expensive but definitely worth it if you can get them in assault. one time I had a perfect route through buildings in the middle of the board, in a game against my brother. they killed an assault squad a tact squad (it already had 2-3 casualties) and a sternguard sqaud, and maybe some scouts but i cant remember.

the unit was...

4-5 warriors all with...
lash whip, bonesword
talons
and toxin sacs

joined by a prime with...
lash whip, bonesword
talons
and toxin sacs

very deadly but pretty fragile. if you use what deadeight was saying for the prime then it'll definitely help. Hope this helps.

[t⊗theark]

I run 3 warriors, all have scything talons and toxin sacs, 3 have rending claws and 1 had a barbed strangler. They're a sit-on-deployment-zone-objective unit which provides ranged support and back fiend synapse for troops to fall back to. If they get tied up, thanks to rending and poison, they're still not wasted. It's cheap too, only 115 points.

[Jabberwocky]

Oct 28, 2012 23:09:18 GMT megadeth321 said:

I've played a couple 500 point games earlier this week and I found I was at a loss in ranged capabilities. I fielded a Prime w/ devourer, 2 Hive Guards, a Zoanthrope, hormagaunts and geenstealers. To be honest, I should have put on termagants instead of genestealers to escort the hormagaunts, I've never played warrior before and I was wondering what they were like as a ranged unit compared to that of the hive guard. One problem I felt was that I only had the zoanthrope to provide synapse for the HG. How could I provide synapse for my HG and gaunts as well?

Hormies don't really need synapse. If they fail IB, they gain an attack. If they lose combat, they have good Init to escape. If they fall back from shooting, they will likely run into your synapse behind them, assuming you have support units behind such as your Zoan.

Warriors aren't bad in small points games. I don't know if I'd recommend losing your Hiveguard though, unless you face little to no vehicles.

[megadeth321]

In my last game, I had my Tyrant walking around with 4 Hive Guards which is useful for the Tyrant so it has a cover save. Although the Hive Guard can survive more than average shots in open ground, I feel they should stay behind cover. Two squads of two Hive guard, each accompanied by a Zoanthrope for synapse. Saying what I said first, the Tyrant is pretty strong by itself although that's probably up to discussion.