4000 pt Apol

[milkybarnid]

Hey Hive,

I have been invited to an apolcalpyse game this friday (tomorrow), i need help with a list as i dont know what to bring to this kind of game. I have no apolcalypse models though my opponent will let me borrow a harridan.

These are the models i have;

Flyrant with TL Devourers
Swarmlord
Hive tyrant
Tyrant guard x 2
Tervigon x 1

Zoanthropes x 4
Hive Guard x 3
Venomthropes x 2
Lictors x 3

Warriors x 18 (if i use a prime then this goes down by 1)
Genestealers x 24 (i proxy these as ymgarls) Broodlord x 2
Termagants x 56
Hormagants x 40
Rippers x 12

Raveners x 6
Gargoyles x 40
Spore mines x 9

Trygon x 2
Carnifex x 2
Biovores x 3

what list would you make out of this. It is likely i will be facing Space marines of some kind.

Your replys are appreciated

[rpricew]

The simple answer based on what models you have...is just bring as much as you can...

To help you build a list there are a lot of questions to ask... some of them are:
Are you playing with apocalypse rules? Is your opponent bringing any superheavies? If so, then you might be in trouble. D-Weapons will instant kill your MCs. If it's just an apocalypse sized game using the normal units, then just run a list with as much as you can cram in there. Are there gong to be other players there and what are they bringing?

There are strategic assets in the Apocalypse book that can help you, but you need to read through them to understand. APOC is all about having fun and getting rid of the FOC. You can bring as many units as you want as long as you adhere to the min/max brood size rules.

If you wanted to bring 10 Tervigons, then you could!! Do you have any Tyranid buddies that you can borrow models from? Want to run 18 Hive Guard...that's ok too!

If you're running against some super heavies and you don't have any, then consider proxying for a Barbed Hierodule or two to help offset the balance. They are shooty Gargantuan Creatures in the APOC books.

One fun formation, I can't remember what book it's in, is the Subterranean Swarm. It allows you to take a Trygon and deep strike him, but also be able to bring two units (min 3 each) of Raveners, and they arrive with him. The Raveners can assault the turn that they arrive. The formation costs an extra 100 points to your list, but since you have 6 Raveners and two Trygons you could try it. Don't expect it to live long, since the rule was written when Trygons were Gargantuan creatures and couldn't suffer ID.

But hey, it's apocalypse and it's supposed to be crazy. Number one rule!!! Plan your turn during your opponent's turn. This is what will speed up the game and make it more fun for everyone. APOC games take a long time if the players aren't thinking 3 moves ahead, so to speak.

Take pictures and have fun!!!

[milkybarnid]

Thanks for the reply rpricew, the game i am playing will be 2v2 8k a side (so 4k for me and 4 for my partner), we will be playing with APOC rules. Im not sure what my partner is bringing, its 50/50 between orks and tau. (i am hoping tau cause my partner has the big tigershark thing from forgeworld)

Unfortunately i am one 3 players at my LGS who play nids, the 2nd has only got a small amount of nids and a harridan and the 3rd is too far away atm to let me borrow any. D weapons are already on the top of priorties as likely my opponent will sporting a reaver class titan. (and i ive got no gargantuan creatures!) to deal with it, i am hoping to deepstrike a brood of 3 zoanthropes and warp lance it so it explodes.

I havent had a big look through the APOC books but that formation did catch my eye, i plan to use it to ruin any objectives my opponent will be holding. if i do borrow the harridan it is likely i am going to have to use it in order to take out the opponents titan/s. this has made me realise that we seriously need a new imperial armour book for the nids.

I will try to take pictures if i remember.

Thanks

EDIT;

Concerning stratgems i will not find out those until the match, we have a scenario made up, but i have not been informed yet.

[milkybarnid]

Apoligies for double post but i have come up with a list

Flyrant – TL Dev x 2, OA, 285
Swarmlord 280
Hive Tyrant TL Dev, LW/BS, AG, TS, AS, OA 270

Hive guard x 3 150
Zoanthrope x 3 Spore 220
Doom Spore 130

Devilgants x 20 spore 240
Tervigon – CC, AG, TS, Cat, Onsl 235
Warriors x 5 DS and boneswords, spore 265
Hormagaunts x 20 TS spore 200

Gargoyles x 20 TS 140
Gargoyles x 20 TS 140
Ravener x3 RC 105
Ravener x3 RC 105

Trygon 200
Biovore x 3 135

Harridan

I have not posted the points of the harridan as i'm not sure whether your allowed to put unit costs up from forgeworld. I have also been informed that my partner is taking blood angels.

[rpricew]

Harridan is a lot of points, and I have one. Don't take it out of Flyer mode unless it's to suicide run on the Titan. It will die to a reasonable amount of shooting once it's out of Flyer mode.

[milkybarnid]

In your experience do you think the harridan is worth the number points it warrants?

[yoritomo]

I think I need to step in here a minute and talk about posting point costs.

The point costs of the items and units in a codex is copyrighted material and usually forbidden under the forum rules. However, there is an exemption to copyright laws that state you may use copyrighted material in limited quantites when it adds to a discussion. This is why we allow unit point totals, because it is a good way for us to double check things on your list and lets us catch point problems before you use the list. We don't let you post every point cost because the benifit gained isn't as much as the damage done by allowing people to play without buying a codex.

With this in mind let's look at the last few posts. When listing the harridan you could have posted the points with it. While we don't encourage posting point costs (especially Forge World) it still adds to the discussion of your army list.

Saying "the harridan is X points" is flat out wrong. It adds nothing to what is being discussed and give out copyrighed information to boot. Please, never do this again.

Asking if the harridan is worth X points is also not acceptable. While it is adding to the debate, it does so in a way that feels like you are just trying to publish the points for that unit, which I am not comfortable with. I would ask you instead to say something more generic like "Is the harridan worth it's points?"



I know this sounds like splitting hairs, but I'd rather not give GW (or anyone else) anything they could use to shut us down. Call me paranoid, but better safe than sorry.

[rpricew]

Thanks Yori...

The Harridan is worth its points simply because it's a HUGE fire magnet. Everyone is going to want the honor of shooting it down. This means your other units will live long enough to get into combat.

Remember, str 8 wounds it on a four after having to have skyfire to hit it. That's why you don't take it out of flyer mode, until your ready to assault that Titan.

Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards

[milkybarnid]

Understood Yori, no one wants the forum to be shut down,

That sounds like that harridan is pretty good, i only hope it doesnt get shot down by something silly like a heavy bolter ><
I will post pictures and the results round saturday/sunday

[rpricew]

APOC flyers don't take grounding tests, so you won't have to worry about Heavy Bolters too much.

[milkybarnid]

Just to let you know, the game will be taking place today, due to playuers model restrictions GC's and titans are not being used, but the points have increased to 12k a side. The teams are Nids/IG vs BA/BA. the list i made is big and can't remember of the top of my head.

The scenario: there are two boards, one representing the surface and a table representing underground, (we have a used space hulk board to represent narrow tunnels etc) the objective of the Blood angels is to reach the objective underground, they start on surface, they can get underground at various points on the surface. The IG also abides by this. Nids can start underground by keeping units in reserve. Nids/IG stole the initative last night so we will be going first today . Deployment is Dawn of war (12" one)

I have pictures of the set up but i am struggling with photobucket at the moment to upload them.

[milkybarnid]

Hey Hive,

I am pleased to report a win for the Tyranids in my apoc game, it was very close and ended up going to turn 7 with only a single unit left. I was unable to take pictures as we only had a day to complete the game due to other commitments. The table was roughly 12' by 4'. i deployed most of my army underground which was rhe space hulk board. to win all the nids had to do was prevent the BA reach the objective. BA took a very elite list, there was a lot 2+ and 4++. this was troublesome as i could not use my MCs undergorund.

The only notable happenings for me was that my swarmlord took on the Sanginour thing and Mephiston (who was T9 6/7 turns!) and beat them in challenges. Mephiston with Iron Arm is very intimdating but the problem of getting across the board was what hindered him. (it may have helped that the swarmlord also had Iron arm and Endurance on as well). the small part of my army that i deployed on the surafce did well, with The Flyrants harassing backfield units, The swarmlord and AS tyrant took on any infantry units and the trygons, Crushigons and hive guard took care of any vehicles that approached our line (their vehicles were multiple dreadnoughts, predators and vindicators).

Whilst the war on surface fared well, the underground battle was not, i thought having large numbers in units would help but i was hindered by the narrow corridors where only 7 or 8 models could attack compared to the full 20. I found having small squads that were upgraded were much more effective. Though was i up against a 30 man death company squad with lemartes and 3 squads of 10 sanguary guard accompanied by a mixture of characters. i manged to secure the win by setting up my last 6 man warrior squad standing in front of the door to the objective meaning that a unit could not attack or shoot the door down to reach it in time.

Overall it was fun game, though very close. Thank you for your help and opinions. rpricew the planning during the opponents turn was a very good tip and allowed the game to progress quickly. Thank you very much