Losing for the win in 6th

[malevoiyslayer]

So I just got back from a great tournament where I ran my Nids and lost every game. Brutally. Fortunately, my opponents were all great fun to play against and the tournament was very organized but it did make me pretty concerned about the effect 6th has had on our bugs. I won the sportsmanship award and it sounded like they gave it to me based on the fact that I actually brought Nids to a tournament. Lol.

As fun as it is to win some prize support without winning a single game, I'd hope that's not what I'll have to count on in the future. Anyone else have problems with your bugs in this edition?

[rpricew]

I took 6th in a local tournament with my Nids... It's all about the match ups and what lists that you're bringing. There are so many things that influence the performance of them.

N.I.B. just either won or came in 2nd in a tournament with his Nids... People are competing, they are just figuring out how. It's not a "I Win" button that you can push, but it's possible.

[coredump]

Nids have recently done decently at a few large tourneys.

If you want help, I would suggest posting your list.

Even better, post a batrep or two so we can help with tactics. And check on rule interpretations.

[commandersasha]

At the heat for the UK GT last weekend Tyranids came third after Necrons and Necrons, out of 60ish players.
I believe it was two DakkaFlyrants, and then Tervigon spam.

What I have learnt from 6th:
1) Anti-air is essential. The DakkaFlyrants is the best we have, for now. Protect them until they have a chance to shoot enemy planes.

2) Plenty of things can kill our objective holders; go for the slaughter instead! Table the enemy, eat every last scrap. Let our prey worry about objectives, we are more interested in which dipping sauce goes best with which army!

3) Don't be defeatist, we're still very viable!

[fragile]

So far with 6th edition I am 11-2 at our monthly tournaments. The first loss was to a Necron Flyer list that I failed to remember that my Termagaunts that were out of Synapse could go to ground on their objective for a 3+ cover save (which would have won me the game) and the second was playing against Invisible Eldar Jetbike spam. That match was poor since it was Purge the alien and I did not have an idea of what Eldar could do.

Otherwise I would say that Tyranids are fairly dominant in 6th so far. We will see how that goes with the new codexes coming out.


Just curious, can you post your army list and maybe a batrep or two to see what is happening in your games?

[alamomelt]

The only 6th ed tournament I participated in at the LGS was dominated by a Necron player with lots of AV 13 (14 even?) mech....things. I've had bad luck with Zoanthropes and stopped including them, so no Warp Lance. I was glad we didn't match up because I don't have a clue how to deal with his army with my bugs. Apparently neither did anyone else since he dominated every game he played.

[Deleted]

Tyranids can compete in tourneys, you just have to pick certain units in our codex and avoid most others like the plague.

[biorivera]

you need to build lists with high consideration of the purpose of EVERY single unit( is it an objective holder, range support, a screen? and dont let enemy scare tactics lose sight of your army/unit's function).

and as said some stuff in our codex generally have better(in every way or most every way, see mathhammer for deathspitters v devourers on tyrant).

without list/unit/player description of how you play we'll only be able to provide general advice.

i know it took me a long time to get a hang of moving/assaulting correctly(yes, there is a wrong way to do it(carefully picking movement alternatives for safety/assaults/multiassaulting is vital).

[riverzora]

I haven't met, seen orheard of anyone who uses Pyrovores. That's a solid no, I think.

[Jabberwocky]

I think I'm actually doing better in 6th but that is probably because I've added more dimensions to my list.

My Eldar/DE are also way better though. Maybe it's just marines got worse...

[Space is pretty big]

Is it me or do some other armies have to put a lot less thought and take a lot less time to get top rankings?

[biorivera]

Oct 22, 2012 0:31:32 GMT Space is pretty big said:

Is it me or do some other armies have to put a lot less thought and take a lot less time to get top rankings?

its the natural shift of power. nids DOMINATED in 4th if you played zilla-ish armies with virtually no need for tactics in order to do decently.(imo anyways).

then we got a new book for 5th. there was a lot of codex rage, but frankly our current book isn't bad. i mean look at even older armies....

every once in a while an army will get seemingly overpowered(usually some way to hold ground) till new books balance the game again.

[wisdomseyes1]

Oct 22, 2012 0:35:41 GMT biorivera said:

Oct 22, 2012 0:31:32 GMT Space is pretty big said:

Is it me or do some other armies have to put a lot less thought and take a lot less time to get top rankings?

its the natural shift of power. nids DOMINATED in 4th if you played zilla-ish armies with virtually no need for tactics in order to do decently.(imo anyways).

then we got a new book for 5th. there was a lot of codex rage, but frankly our current book isn't bad. i mean look at even older armies....

every once in a while an army will get seemingly overpowered(usually some way to hold ground) till new books balance the game again.

I agree with this.

Still, the people who place high in tournaments are the ones who put massive amounts of thought into the armies that don't take much thought.

Its why I cant just by a space marine army and expect to win.

[malevoiyslayer]

I've given it some thought and I am going to try a different list. Until now my lists have been MC heavy consistently including a flying dakka tyrant, 2 Tervigons, and a trygon. I've tried out other things like a second tyrant, carnifexes, tyrannofexes, etc and all have performed fairly sub-par. In the tournament I fought Grey Knights in 2 out of 3 games and I just got force weaponed to death all game long. I managed to kill 6 terminators with shooting before the other 4 assaulted and killed half my army. Losing my flyrant was my bad. I had t8 and eternal warrior so I thought I'd try and kill the last 4 in combat. Everything else just got charged including my trygon, tyrannofex, and tervifex. FOUR terminators shouldn't be that powerful... The second game against GK was the same story but I lost everything to assaults with terminators and one lone dreadknight that took out half my army on a flank by himself. Force weapons that strike before I do and re-roll failed hits and wounds are really painful...

I intend to go swarm heavy and bring a swarmlord around next time with lots of reserves. Should have a good mix of units coming up as soon as I get around to assemble them. Apparently mass t6 wounds just doesn't cut it anymore.

[biorivera]

a single mc is just a heavy weapons target. theres a lot more of those nowadays I feel. I have only played 4 6th ed. games but I can say that I'm hyper conservative with my devil-flyrants trying to just keep them primarily as AA hunters or long distance support fire. he only ever assaults into a pre-existing assault. thats given me some fair success.

i like running swarmlord deathstar-ish lists, but even then i always have lash whips somewhere in any significant CC. the initiative change couples with the incomin attack reduction makes us miuch more survivable in combat. even then though unless it can't be helped that deathstar unit isn't going into combat alone if i can help it.

if you don't already you should also consider ygmarls. they can potentially wreak utter havok. turn 2 assault? yes please