2k Orks

[hungerer]

I wanted to put this in Da WAAAGH, but they're not accepting new registrations, so I'll put it here instead.


Warboss /w Twin-linked Shoota

Big Mek /w Kustom Force Field

3x 11 Lootas

10 Nobz /w Twin-linked Shootas

4x 12 Shootaboyz, 1 /w Big Shoota
4x Trukk

3x Trukk

3 Killa Kans /w Grotzookas

Battlewagon /w Killkannon, Lobba, 4 Big Shootas

2x Looted Wagon /w Boomgun, 'Ard Case


2 HQ
3 Elites
8 Troops (5 if you don't count the Trukks)
4 Heavy Support
1998 points


Da plan: You get a car, you get a car, you get a car, everybody gets a car! (Except those Grot snots ;D)

The Warboss and the Nobz get the Battlewagon while the Big Mek and the Lootas get the spare Trukks.

Mob Dakkaagh! consists of the Battlewagon, the Killa Kans and the Shootaboyz Trukks, and their job is to go in front and be as shooty as possible. They need to be close enough to shoot, but far away enough to not be assaulted. No shame in going backwards; they're Shoota Boyz, they want to keep shooting for as long as possible!
If you're wondering why the Nobz Battlewagon has the Killkannon, it's because it's not a dedicated transport, it's taking up the Heavy Support slot. And yes, the Battlewagon is a little points heavy, but if the opponent focuses their fire on it, that's all the more shooting that they're not doing elsewhere.

Mob More Dakkaagh! consists of the other Trukks and the Looted Wagons, and their job is to stay in back and be as shooty as possible ;D The Trukks will stay 6" away from the Trukk with the Big Mek, and the Looted Wagons will spread out a bit more.

[robomummy]

alright so lets see it looks like you are trying to run a very shooty orks list.

Warboss- what is his role exactly? you give him a tl shoota but he isnt really a shooty character. I cant see him being effective in CC since he doesnt have anything to hit them with. Putting him with the nobs will do as much good as a unit of shoota boyz (and they are alot cheaper). if you must make him a shooty character give him a rokkit as there is a distinct lack of AV14 killing in your army.

3x 11 lootas- never anything wrong with lootas, with this many you dont even need the rest of your army.

Nobz W/ TL shootas- (see warboss comments) I really dont see the advantage to these guys TL shootas will still barely do anything. Give them rokkits like the Boss and go tank hunting.

4x 12 shoota boyz in trukks- these guys are fine but they will die pretty quickly or flee. remember you loose 2 and you are no longer fearless. give them nobz with bosspoles to make them more survivable. remember with shoota boyz the real strength to them is being able to shoot then assault. even in combat they are still orks 2 attacks shooting and 3 on the charge makes them just a little better than slugga boyz.

Killakanz w/ grotzookas- nothing wrong here, moving on

Battlewagon- lotsa dakka and a kannon, though it looks like you only want it for transport purposes. not bad but could be better, take off that lobba, it really wont do you any good.

looted wagons w/ boomgun- you know there are cheaper ways to get templates out there for orks and more reliable ways. you WILL roll that one when you cant afford to. for transoprt purposes trukks are cheaper. the looted wagon is never a good choice IMO when there are so many other options that can do the same thing better and for less.

While i find the shootyness of the list interesting I must point out that orks are not an army made for shooting. there are many more armies that will outshoot you but few that can out assault you. mix it up with some CC units to play to your army's strengths. at this rate you will be running from armies like gunline guard before the 2nd turn.

[hungerer]

Big Mek /w Shoota, Kustom Force Field

2x Big Mek /w Shoota

15 Lootas
Battle Wagon /w Kannon

14 Shootaboyz, 1 /w Rokkit Launcha
Nob /w Bosspole
Battle Wagon /w Kannon, Rokkit Launcha

2x 13 Shootaboyz, 1 /w Rokkit Launcha
2x Nob /w Bosspole
2x Battle Wagon /w Kannon, 3 Rokkit Launchas

16 Stormboyz
Boss Zagstruck

3x Deff Dread /w Big Shoota, Rokkit Launcha

2x 3 Killa Kans /w Grotzookas


3 HQ
1 Elites
6 Troops
1 Fast Attack
6 Heavy Support
2000 on the nose

Thanks for the advice. With your comments in mind, I decided this seemed somewhat better balanced.

[robomummy]

I may be mistaken but the force org chart only allows you 2 HQ and 3 heavy support, by my count you have 3HQ and 8 heavy support.

Big meks w/ Kff- good put him in a vehicle with others for good mobile cover, preferable with the lootas so they can survive more.

Big mek with shoota- I dont see the point of this guy, he's not providing cover or firepower a shoota isnt going to do much.

14 shootaboyz- its ok park that thing on an objective with AV-14 facing the enemy and you wont be easy to kill. the kannon and the shootas are good anti-infantry weapons but the rokkits seem a little out of place on a unit that is looks dedicated to killing infantry (nothing wrong with that ).

stormboyz and Zagstruk- yes this is a good unit. remember you can assault the turn you come in and Zagstruk's power klaw can strike at Initiative 3. If you land too far away though and arent able to make i in assault they cannot choose to shoot instead. if this happens they will really take a beating before they get to CC as this is a scary unit.

3x deff dreds- I dont see why you need these, their weapons make me wonder exactly what you need them for. either kit them out for infantry or for tanks but avoid mixing these together or it is a wasted shooting opportunity (example if you shoot at a tank then you ahve wasted a shoota that cant do anything to it). you have too many heavy support, Id drop these guys altogether.

Killa kanz- again these guys are heavy support, unless you are playing triple force org charts then you cant take more than 3 choices. Id get rid of them.


As for the heavy support choices id get rid of all but the battlewagons, you have way too many. also get rid of the 3rd big mek and use the points to give the other one a KFF. I's also use some of those points to add more lootas and boyz. Id also look closer at the elites and fast attack section.

so far it seems like your count was off here is what you currently have:

HQ-3
Elites-1
Troops-3
Fast-1
Heavy-8

you need more boyz, bulk up those squads in the wagons and put some boyz on the ground. if you want them to be mobile then give them a trukk.

[daboss]

@ robomummy: nope. 2000+ pts doubles the FOC. Can't remember which page, but in the rulebook. Pretty much everything you said though army list-wise is right. Drop the dreads, get more lootas.

[robomummy]

I dont believe that is an actual rule. Its just something some tournaments say you can do. Even so you still need to fill up your FoC before you can double it. also double FoC is still only 6 heavy support, not 8.

[hungerer]

Ah, but each Big Mek lets me take a Deff Dred as a Troops choice. I do see what you mean about specialising them, though. I guess I'll swap out the Big Shootas for more Rokkit Launchas on them, and vice versa on the Boyz. I'll also get a few more Shoota Boyz probably, which I'll pay for by chucking some Stormboyz, they're only a distraction. I suppose I could cut one of the Big Meks for the KFF, and I'll replace the Dred with some Choppas.

[robomummy]

ah, I forgot that rule about the deff dreds, that still leaves you with too many HQs and too many Heavy supports though.

[hungerer]

Oct 22, 2012 0:59:13 GMT robomummy said:

ah, I forgot that rule about the deff dreds, that still leaves you with too many HQs and too many Heavy supports though.

Are you forgetting x2 FOC again?

[robomummy]

If where your playing uses this rule (which I dont think is actually in the rulebook) you need to have completely filled your first FoC to get another. it is designed to allow you to fill your points when you run out of slots.

[hungerer]

No, the main rulebook states that above 1999 points you may use double FOC, and nowhere does it so much as imply that the first one must be filled for the second to be used. It simply doubles the required 1 HQ 2 Troops.

[robomummy]

my mistake then. I was sure it said that, anyway, in that case ill discuss the Killa kanz and deff dreds. They really dont fit into your army. the rest of your army is fast and mobile and these things will move slowly up the board. I would reccomend replacing them with something a little faster (except for the deff dreads that are troops, keep those because they will be good at grabbing objectives and holding them).

also what page in the rulebook talks about double FoC, I want to make sure I know for future reference.