Ouch! Drago Wing.

[demoric]

So today my buddy and I played another 2000 point game. It was a very dense table with 16 pieces of terrain, and a river bisecting the table in the center across the short section.

I skimmed my friends Grey Knight list, Drago Wing? Supposed to be really good. I like a challenge.
I ran my usual list of Lots of Fliers and Monsterous creatures, and a couple of deep striking units.

Game was Purge the Alien / Hammer & Anvil. I deploy first. I take the more terrain heavy side for cover.

My Tactic: My opponent has range to hit me at range with orbital bombardments from a Techmarine, and a psyrifleman dread in range inside a reinforced ruin. I opt to run the board length and go for a tabling.

Turns 1&2 involve me weathering some fire, taking random wounds when moving through terrain, and lots of running. Losses are light, but my opponent stayed on his table side behind cover. I bait my opponent out of cover on turn 2 to go after first blood.

Turn 3. This will be the deciding round! Everything is going to plan. I soften up my opponent with shooting and then on to the assault.
* I send in a Flyrant with +3 Tough/Str from Iron arm, 12 Gargoyles, 3 Shrikes.
* I send a Crush-it-Gone +2 Tough/Str from Iron arm, and 2 Carnifex into another unit, with A Broodlord, Tyranid Prime with twin-boneswords, and my sole remaing Genestealer failing their charge roll to join in.
* I have a Trygon, and Harpy that is within range of either group to push the assaults over the edge if the Assaults need some help.

Ahhh, yes. I have this. There's too many wound for my opponent to go through. Lots of HoW attacks The win will be mine. I start with the flyrant. YES! 4 instant deaths only 4 units left in that group. All is well... wait what's that? Brotherhood banner Auto Passes ALL psychic tests? Oh, and you managed to wound my monsterous creature just once... and now you auto pass the instant death for multi-wound models. Oh and all your grey knights have auto-instant death weapons if they wound just once..... PANIC, that can't be right... no... wait... it is. =(

So I was right on turn 3 being the deciding round. I loose all my monsterous creatures I was banking on to weather 2 rounds of assault. With my Carnfexen and Tervigon getting killed before even getting an opportunity to hit. I call the game. My opponent wants to continue, but I can no longer table him, and I am 0-5 in kill points, and have just partial units left, and 2 monsterous creatures left that are only useful agains Terminator models if the assault.

Lesson Learned: Watch out for units of power weapons with brotherhood banners. Drago wing is a potent list, also know your enemy units better.

[innocent]

Iron Arm grants Eternal Warrior, your Tyrant and Crushigon should have survived.

That said, you have just experienced one of the reason people call the GK codex broken. Did he have psykotrope grenades? Have a look at their entry next time, you will weep...

On a more serious note, GK are a super hard challenge for Nids, simply because they outgun us and out close-combat us by a landslide. The best way to deal with such a list is actually to tarpit it in Termagants while you grab objectives. Very, very difficult list to handle in a KP game.

That said, I like a challenge too And it's definitely beatable in objectives games. Live and learn!

[fleetofclaw]

Like innocent said, iron arm gives you eternal warrior.

Also keep in mind that the brotherhood banner only auto passes activating force weapons, not casting any power (surprised how many grey knight player noobs confuse this) not sure if that mattered in your game.

Mass amounts of enfeeble and strength 6 shooting melts paladins (or even mass strength 4 devil aant shooting, especially with preferred enemy). Draigo Wing is a match up I'm not too worried about anymore, though it really can come down to dice rolls on the psychic power chart, which is annoying.

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[demoric]

Dang, I would've kept playing if both of those units stayed in. That would've made a big difference. I feel like I could've pulled a turn 5 or 6 win with them still in the game. Oh well. It was a fun game.

My nids have faced predominately grey knights, and necrons. With a spattering of Orks (they are very tasty), and vanilla marines (mmm... canned food).
Anymore with grey knights I just try and drown them in shots, and the mega-assault them. That has usually worked well for me, but I have to make certain to hit them with everything, and not miss any opportunity.

I practically ignore psyrifleman until I get a shot at rear armor, and just endure those f'ing instant perils of the warp psykotrope grenades (if memory serves right). Honestly though I have always faced them in an objective based game until today. I game 1-2 a week. I am trying to get my friend to keep playing his Drago wing list. Honestly I feel it is better than his Grey Knights / inquisitor lists he's been running.

[forteh]

In 5th swarmlord minced draigowing in combat for me. In 6th he automatically causes ID (eliminating any FNP), no armour saves + forcing the re-rolling invuns annihilates those paladins; draigo himself is more difficult because of IW but if you have iron arm then you're having an easier time.

I also think that to activate force weapons, paladins need to have spare warpcharge, if they have cast hammerhand in order to make wounding you easier they can't activate the weapons (that doesn't stop a support character buffing them externally though). Also use any to hits of a 6 to precision strike against the brotherhood banner carrier, once he is dead no more auto activation and SiTW comes into play massively!

[TheContortionist]

I play grey knights also.

The thing to do is get that banner. swoop around. drop the doom. use gaunts. anyway you do it, just get that banner. it is the main target.

Once you get the banner, shadow in the warp will help you a ton.

[fragile]

Even if you dont roll Iron Arm you can do well against Draigo. You have to pay alot more attention to your movement and charges though. Bury them in a group of Termagants and then charge MCs up so that they are only touching 1 model in the squad.

[jifel]

Something to note is that you say you lost wounds from terrain, Move through cover ignores dangerous terrain!

And my Draigo Wing tactic has always been to take objectives. If I have to take them out, then I enfeeble them once, or twice if I can manage, and then dump fire into them. One enfeeble means that Devourers on our big guys ID them. They're short range shooty, so Paladins will normally be in Dev range. But 24 shots, rerolling to hit and wound, causing ID normally leads to some failed saves! If you can get two enfeebles off (debatable on if this is legal)then just poop out gants and drown him in Strength 4 to his toughness 2 wounds!

[commandersasha]

I'm pretty sure you can't stack 2 Enfeebles; hasn't a recent FAQ stated that although you can stack results, you can't stack rules? ie, you could stack two different rules that reduce Str on one target, but notice the same rule twice.
"Enfeebled" is a condition; once you have it, subsequent "Enfeeblings" have no effect.
Back to OP, my main opponent's Draigowing had a record of 18/1/1 against me in 5th; with identical lists, in my first game of 6th I tabled him!

Draigo is no longer a super-scary build for us, but there are some tricks, outlined above :-)

[fragile]

Oct 21, 2012 18:34:12 GMT commandersasha said:

I'm pretty sure you can't stack 2 Enfeebles; hasn't a recent FAQ stated that although you can stack results, you can't stack rules? ie, you could stack two different rules that reduce Str on one target, but notice the same rule twice.
"Enfeebled" is a condition; once you have it, subsequent "Enfeeblings" have no effect.
Back to OP, my main opponent's Draigowing had a record of 18/1/1 against me in 5th; with identical lists, in my first game of 6th I tabled him!

Draigo is no longer a super-scary build for us, but there are some tricks, outlined above :-)

This is a debated issue and alot of tournaments are allowing it until a FAQ arrives.