How do biovores work?

[TheContortionist]

in the multiple barrages on page 34 says "once the first marker is placed, roll a scatter dice for each other barrage waepon shot fired by the unit. If an arrow is rolled, place the maker in the direction indicated so that it is next to and touching the edge of the first marker placed. This, to me, sounds like the other 2 biovores would still get resolve their st4 ap4 hits.

[rpricew]

We resolve all 3 multiple barrages before placing spores mines. Since the diameter of the blast marker is 5" that's 2.5" from the center of the marker to the edge. That's 7.5 total inches of threat range from the barrage.

I shoot the first and roll the scatter and the two d6s resolving the hit. Place the center of the hole over the new spot. If it misses, then roll the scatter for the next Biovore. If it misses then place the marker on the corresponding side of the marker. If that marker misses any models, then roll for the third. If it misses any models, then place 3 spores under the hole of the first blast marker.

The reason we do this is, its possible to miss with the first shot, but still hit with the 2nd and 3rd.

Regardless, its always one spores per Biovores per brood that completely misses.

I agree that you shouldn't discount what people like 60mm have to say. Words are less than 10% of communication and its easy to misinterpret what people are saying.

[lostminds]

If you scatter so that you are over 6" from an enemy the attack does not happen, instead you follow the rules for placing mines.
Multiple barrages is one attack(with multiple blasts), and it doesn't happen if the initial attack is over 6" from the enemy so you never get to the placing the other blast template part.

[Soluncreed]

If I scatter more than 6" away onto one of my own units, do I place the spore mine which then instantly disappear?

[pom611]

They don't disappear they follow the rules for rules for spore mines on pg48 of the tyranid codex and so have a chance of doing damage even if uv missed or at least limiting the movement of the squad u were firing at

[carnogaunt]

Oct 14, 2012 16:15:27 GMT TheContortionist said:

I come here asking for help and you're a condescending little (please do not circumvent the swear filter) to me? ...

Chill out. Speaking to your fellow forum members in this way is never warranted.

... you need not reply as i know you will have nothing nice to say.

Said at the end of a post filled with not nice things...

[Talonis]

A brood of 3 will fire all at once as a multiple barrage (3).
If the initial blast misses by 6", then all the biovores miss and the special rule comes into play. You place 3 spore mines instead.(1 per biovore in the brood, so 2 biovores place only 2 spores total)
That is all, no additional spores for the extra blasts. (As they do not occur and the special rule takes over)

If the initial blast is within 6" then resolve the next 2 barrage blasts as normal and hope you get a hit

No line of sight is needed and the blasts alway hit side armour, highest level the central hole is over for buildings/ruins and cause pining if any casualties are take.

Pretty sure that has answered the questions?

[coredump]

The response by 60mm may not have been condescending, but it was profoundly not helpful. Saying 'read it again' with no further help really does nothing except come across as insulting.

Contortionist really could have reacted to the unhelpful comment better.

As for the original question: The *unit* fires once, with a number of shots/spores equal to the number of biovores. So a brood of 3 will shoot 3 per turn, never 9. The part to focus on is more the multi-barrage rules on p.46 of the BRB.

As for the rest of the posts... there seems to be a lot of misinformation... (which kind of makes it apparent that this isn't all that 'obvious' to people)

They always fire as a multi-barrage, never independently
If the first shot is more than 6" from an enemy, you put down the spore mines(1/2/3). You do *not* resolve all blast markers first.
If you scatter onto your own units, you do damage normally.


Does that help?

[fragile]

Oct 15, 2012 0:28:38 GMT coredump said:

If you scatter onto your own units, you do damage normally.

Only if the center is within 6" of an enemy.

[Talonis]

I don't think you actually hurt you own units either.
If the marker lands 6" away from the enemy, you place mines. Mines which end up touching your own units are removed.

So unless you are mixed in with the enemy or close enough to be within 6", I don't think they will explode on your own units.

[coredump]

Oct 15, 2012 0:37:44 GMT fragile said:

Oct 15, 2012 0:28:38 GMT coredump said:

If you scatter onto your own units, you do damage normally.

Only if the center is within 6" of an enemy.

You are right.... nice catch.

[swarmson]

I have to agree with Coredump on this one. If there are multiple Biovores, they follow the rules for Multiple Barrages on pg. 34 of BRB. I do, however, have a question regarding Multiple Barrages in general:

When resolving a Multiple Barrage, the BRB says to "resolve hits and wounds separately for each" marker. However the recent FAQ says "work out the total number of models hit by the multiple barrage, then proceed to allocate Wounds and remove casualties all in one go." Is it just me, or does that seem a bit contradictory...? Let's say, for example, there's a squad of 6 marines with a sergeant and a missile launcher. 2 Biovores launch their mines and hit the unit, the 1st is centered on the sergeant and hitting 3 other marines, the 2nd centered on the missile launcher and hitting 4 other marines. Before the FAQ came out, I would just resolve each blast separately, and hope to kill off both the sergeant and the missile launcher. Now with the FAQ I'm not as sure. If I roll all the hits together and do, let's say 4 wounds, and he only fails 1 save, does he lose the sergeant or the missile launcher? Is it randomized? Now let's say I'm lucky and he fails 3 saves. Does he lose both the sergeant and missile launcher and then whichever guy is closest to which blast center? Or do I just assume all wounds are allocated closest to the 1st blast center?

No, I'm not confused at all by this contradiction...

[Talonis]

I think the FAQ made it so you work out each blast separate now. So the first blast is against the sgt and the other against the missile. But you don't roll all the hits combined, keep each blasts wounds separate.

[coredump]

Nope, the FAQ said to do them 'all together'; which as swarmson has noticed.... makes no sense.

Best advice, ignore the FAQ (because it kinda breaks the game) and play it the way you were doing it before.

If you *really* want to try and follow the FAQ.... the only think I can think of is to allocate all wounds from the center of the initial blast. Its not right, but....

[casteel]

Well, I'm not completely familiar with the rules but wouldn't a "look out sir" roll apply?