Fluff based list needs some input

[blindmage]

Sliver fleet Disorder

Disorder is the remains of a splinter fleet that had almost finished consuming a world when it was hit with an Exterminatus. As noted on the world of Tethris and Araidne V, some things can survive by burrowing, namely Carnifex's, due to their massive resilience, and Rippers, due to their sheer number, some survive.

Disorder is a shattered barley coherent mass of flesh, directed, not necessarily controlled, by their new found leader, the Parasite and the few surviving Malanthropes. The swarms of massively enhanced Rippers, both crawling and winged horde forward unloading torrents of fire as a new threat rears its head. A new form of Ripper, larger and far more potent in combat, this new threat seems to be this fleet's version of the Hormagaunt, luckily this form has been quite a rare sight on the battlefield.

The few remaining Carnifexes have slowly begun to regenerate the massive injuries suffered in the bombardment and are rampaging the desolate world, slamming into the combats they encounter, having evolved to survive the harsh conditions that exist in a post Exterminatus world, their reinforced carapaces aid their survival as they belch bioplasma at their foes while their scything talons rip apart the enemy.

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I haven't read my own little fluff blurb in a while I was sure Disorder was more of an end stage army, rather than a burrowing one...I think I'll have to do some rewriting...take it back to the days of being held together by a few Malanthropes, even though I LOVE the Parasite for his ripper making abilities...granted 2 full units of 3 Malanthropes would be simply amazing and awesome....

I'm kinda stumped on how to build my list now.

Assuming 1999 points

3x Malanthropes - 330
Parasite - 160

9x Rippers w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands and Tunnel Swarm - 225
9x Rippers w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands and Tunnel Swarm - 225
9x Rippers w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands and Tunnel Swarm - 225

9x Sky Slashers w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs - 216

3x Carnifexen w/ Regeneration and Bioplasma - 615

Total: 1996
Total Wounds: T3 = 108, T4 = 3, T5 = 12, T6 = 12
Total Units: 7
Maximum Allowed in Reserve: 3 (ground pounding Rippers)
Warlord Unit: Malanthropes

What do you guys think?

[Deleted]

Game-wise; I like everything but the Fexen. As said before I'd go with 2 Trygon Primes as you only have 2 synapse units, both ID'able, in an army of units that eat themselves when out of synapse or. . . 3 Stonecrushers. Cheaper, better saturation coverage and far tougher. For an example, a SM firing a Krak Missile at a vanilla Fex wounds 10/18. On a Stonecrusher, 10/108. ~6x the survival rate for less points, on average you'll lose half your brood of 3 vanilla fex to Kraks by the time a Stonecrusher takes a single wound, and that's not considering the improved regen. And, if you're running Malanthropes then you should have zero concerns with running FW . . .

Fluff-wise: I hate to be a buzzkill on this but two units stick out like sore thumbs.

Malanthropes wouldn't survive Exterminatus. Huge bloated floating dudes would go down like paper bags blowing around in a forest fire.

Screamer Killers are probably the most energy-inefficient (real physics) units in our whole codex. Plasma bolts, the fourth state of matter, would take an obscene amount of bio-energy to manifest. Actually, Carnifexen in general are crazy energy sinks and would need monsterously immense amounts of nutrition to keep going throughout a single day. Definitely not the kind of nutrition to be found on a planet just hit by Exterminatus. Stonecrushers would make more sense fluff-wise too as they are much tougher and regenerate better (to survive Exterminatus), and use immensely less energy than a screamer killer belching bolts of super-heated gas.

Trygons would fit better than Fexen of any type in your fluff as they are made to go subterranean where-as I doubt Fexen are great diggers . . .

I don't think anybody will look/see that far into your fluff to be honest, but that's what pops out to me. On the game-wise stuff I really can't see any reasons to go with Screamer Killers over the options I presented besides pure want. And, as someone fielding an army of Rippers, you own that license 10x over so more power to ya if it's what your heart desires! Synapse coverage will be a nasty weak spot for your army against any opponent experienced with Tyranids though with only 2 ID'able synapse units, do keep that in mind.

[Jabberwocky]

I'd have to agree with 60mm here.

Raveners might also be an option and give you some more answers to armour and mech.

[casteel]

I'm super excited about the "larger form of Ripper"! Sounds awesome. Another unit that might survive such a event might be Genestealers. Just a thought.

[blindmage]

@60mm: Thanks for really giving the list and fluff some thought! I'd considered dropping the Parasite fro more Malanthropes. At the end stage part on an invasion, the only things left are Malanthropes, Rippers, Hive Guard and Pirovores, plus the odd Carnifex or other heavy hitter. Almost all the other nids will throw themselves into the digestion pools. I see this as being a planet that was almost done this process. hence the lack of other critters.

I've also been using the same fleet fluff since 4th, so I never altered it for Trygons/Mawlocks. The way I see it, the Fexes survived due to their sheer mass and regeneration, probably knocked down to 1 wound in the blast and slowly regenerated. The burrowing only saved the Rippers due to their massive numbers, there were just too many to kill, the other burrowing nids aren't nearly as numerous and burned up. The Malanthropes...well, for each huge swath of rippers there would be a Malanthrope with them sampling the dead as the rippers feast. I'd assume that since there ate so many across the whole planet a few would survive, then regroup and try to rebuild the defenses.

However, it also seem that it's the knowledge in the hiveships that allow the more complicated forms to be made. The Malathropes aren't suited for creation, and so only work with what they have....Rippers and the odd crispy Carnifex, so that's what they build.

@ the rest: I had considered dropping the bioplasma and taking more rippers...or even splitting the fexes into single units creating more of a target rich environment.

A note on my local area. We have virtually no marines. My most common enemy is Daemons. Aside form that we have Necrons/Nids, Dark Eldar/Tau and one Marine guy...also I think a new ork player.

There'a also a lack on vehicles in the area, which works well for me.

[blindmage]

Playing vs Daemons tonight 1999

Here's we go:

Parasite - 160
3x Malanthropes - 330 (proxied by Knarlocks)

3x Hive Guard - 150 (proxied by Knarlock Riders)

9x Ripper w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs and Tunnel Swarm - 189
9x Ripper w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs and Tunnel Swarm - 189
9x Ripper w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs and Tunnel Swarm - 189
9x Ripper w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs and Tunnel Swarm - 189
9x Ripper w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs and Tunnel Swarm - 189
9x Ripper w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs and Tunnel Swarm - 189

9x Sky Slashers w/ Spinefists, Toxin Sacs - 216

Total: 1990
Total Wounds: T3 = 189, T4 = 3, T5 = 12, T6 = 6
Total Units: 10
Maximum allowed in reserve: 5 (5 of 6 ground pounding Rippers)

I would have tossed in a fex for a dropped Ripper brood, but I'm out of MC size critters that I can transport safely to my friend's place.

Comments?

[Jabberwocky]

Should do fine unless he is spamming flamers/S8 bolts.

Also I'd be scared of the MCs. Luckily without biomancy he can't get immunity to your spinefists so you might be able to overwhelm him.

[blindmage]

Game was delayed untill Thursday.

I'll make sure to post his list and a really quick batrep afterwards.

[blindmage]

Oct 14, 2012 8:40:32 GMT Jabberwocky said:

Should do fine unless he is spamming flamers/S8 bolts.

Also I'd be scared of the MCs. Luckily without biomancy he can't get immunity to your spinefists so you might be able to overwhelm him.

He's mostly a Nurgle player. The MC's I've found I can tarpit pretty well with Rippers after shooting him first. The Toxin Sacs really help me there because I get to would on a 4+ in CC.

So far, in the few 6th ed games we've played, it takes one full squad to take out a single daemon prince, it takes a few rounds, but it keeps them off my back.

I realized that the Kill Points mission is one of the few I'll have a real chance at winning. Secondary Objectives are great for me, but I'll never get to claim Linebacker, so I have to get creative.