1000 points CSM

[gigasnail]

first stab at new CSM. i have another version of this that has two helldrakes instead of the havocs and ADL (and dropping the marks from the lord/bikers), but i am not sold on helldrakes yet. have similar setup, but using forgefiends instead of the drakes. focusing on this version for now:

1k on the nose

lord, MoK, bike, power weapon, sigil, veteran

CSM X10, X2 melta, veterans, rhino
CSM X10, X2 melta, veterans, combi-bolter on champ, rhino

Csm Bikes X4, MoK, X2 melta, veterans, champ has meltabomb

Havocs X5, 4 autocannons
Havocs X5, 4 autocannons

Aegis Defense Line, quadgun

not a huge fan of just 2 troops; looking at dropping a unit of havoks for a cultist squad or something. still, it's 1k points, so i dunno might work out fine.

[Deleted]

I personally would take your own suggestion. Troops rule and that would let you have a nasty-big Cultist squad.

[gigasnail]

dropping one unit of havocs frees up enough points for a cultist unit, eh, like this:

X22 cultists, X2 flamer, champion w/ shotgun

X20 cultists w/ MoK or MoN.

20 w/ MoK is a nasty zerg unit/screener. maybe drop it to 19 w/ MoK and a flamer? leaves 1 point left over.

19 MoK w/ pistol/ccw is, what, 76 attacks on the charge? though honestly they need a fearless HQ to make them crazy-good. LD8, i dunno about. i am too used to old CSM with LD10 and fearless nids.

[Deleted]

I'm haven't read into the CSM codex enough to precisely pick which setup I'd like, but I can say this. With your list I would use the Cultists to screen, soak up space, etc. to keep your tougher 3+ troops unhindered. Keeping that in mind, I'd try to make the cultists more of a general pain in the rear for your opponent than killy. My second priority would be survivability for holding stuff down.

[ZergLord]

I like your first list better. In your second list you're trading half of your firepower for what, a meatshield? What's a unit of cultists going to shield? Lord isn't going to join them, and marines are in metal boxes. When other player wrecks those rhinos, at least half of the cultists will be dead. I don't see why's that better than 8 Str7 Ap4 shots at BS4.

And I think that 2 full Marine squads in Rhinos at 1000 points is fine.

[jahatch42878]

I have to agree that if you were only talking about 5 man CSM squads, it would be one thing, but full 10 men, with rhinos, is going to be pretty tough to move... if you like the idea of cultists, or want some sort of shield (although what you are shielding I'm not sure if your marines are in rhinos or behind the Aegis Defense Line), you could take a smaller squad as of small flanker or to sit on an objective after your CSM & rhino go past it and into the enemy... and you might not have to drop much to get a smaller squad of 12 or so cultists... not that they will survive a lot of fire, but if they are coming along behind your other units or just jumping from cover to cover until the last 2 turns of the game your opponent might ignore them until he realizes they are claiming an objective or acting as a cheap first wave to throw against something else with a lot of overwatch potential or to tie up a unit until your CSM or Lord can get there... I mean, for 50-75 pts, the cultists might just sneak under the radar... as oppossed to taking 35 of them with Marks, 3 flamers, champions, and just trying to sit on an objective and ask the enemy to move you off it...

Josh

[gigasnail]

i would only be ditching one havoc squad; the other squad and the ADL w/ quadgun are still in. only loosing 4 shots, not 8. will be running both versions of the list and see how it goes.

[ZergLord]

Oct 12, 2012 16:13:31 GMT gigasnail said:

i would only be ditching one havoc squad; the other squad and the ADL w/ quadgun are still in. only loosing 4 shots, not 8.

What I tried to say is that 2 units of Autocannon Havocs (8 shots total) is better than one unit of cultists and 4 shots.

[gigasnail]

lol we're both fubar. one unit of havocs IS 8 shots, 4 AC's at heavy 2. what i get for posting before coffee.

i hear what you're saying, i just do not like only having the two troops, but i also do not really like and have rarely played 1k points. i may be being overly cautious.

[gigasnail]

game tonight vs. dave's orks. chaos victory. game was the scouring/dawn of war. will post some notes later, too late in the evening for it tonight. was a great game though, and we found a new place to play. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!