IC and joining squad question.

[biorivera]

Hey guys, so im having a question about tyrants in reference to being IC's and the way they join squads....so I know for example a prime can join a squad with a swarmlord and tyrant guard, but cana hive tyrant join a squad with a swarmlord and tyrant guard? I:m not considering this as a highly valid game strategy, i just am curious if its allowed.

[gloomfang]

Oddly enough, yes it is allowed. Tyrants can join Guard like an IC. You can have more than one IC per unit.

[kippawah]

So, say you started with a Swarmlord and a pair of TG he starts with.

A single Tyrant joins the unit during the game.

Can you Lo,S wounds in any direction? TG, HT, SL?

That's alot of trickery, it would seem... and an expensive Deathstart unit. Dakkarant with AS and OA, walking with the Swarmlord and a gaggle of TG in tow?

Not sure there's much in the game that could tango and live against such a force.

[gloomfang]

No. You can only LOS! to the closest model now and you can only do it once per wound. If they are equidistant then you have to chose randomly on the first wound and it stays that way for the rest of the phase.

The real fun fact is that you can make a VP disapear that way. A unit of guard with a Tyrant is worth 2VP no matter how many Tyrants are in it.

[rpricew]

What gives us permission to join more than one Tyrant to a single unit of Tyrant Guard? I don't agree with this, but I don't have my codex/rule books handy...

Not being argumentative... just asking for reference!

[gloomfang]

Oct 8, 2012 18:10:25 GMT rpricew said:

What gives us permission to join more than one Tyrant to a single unit of Tyrant Guard? I don't agree with this, but I don't have my codex/rule books handy...

Argee. They FAQed it out.
Page 35 – Tyrant Guard, Shieldwall.
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to read “A
single Hive Tyrant (including the Swarmlord) may join a unit
of Tyrant Guard exactly as if it had the Independent Character
special rule and, while part of the unit, is treated as such for
the purposes of Look Out Sir! rolls, Challenges, Precision
Shots and Precision Strikes”
See the bold bit above


So it is only a single Hive Tyrant now. The original rule used to allow it.

[kippawah]

Argee. They FAQed it out.
Page 35 – Tyrant Guard, Shieldwall.
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to read “A
single Hive Tyrant (including the Swarmlord) may join a unit
of Tyrant Guard exactly as if it had the Independent Character
special rule and, while part of the unit, is treated as such for
the purposes of Look Out Sir! rolls, Challenges, Precision
Shots and Precision Strikes”
See the bold bit above


So it is only a single Hive Tyrant now. The original rule used to allow it.

So, does that mean that if you still have a single HT walking around, he can still join a unit of TG that's been with / started with another HT, or perhaps a SL?

That might be a RAI / RAW thing here...

[Psychichobo]

No, basically if a unit of Tyrant Guard has lost the Tyrant/Swarmlord it's supposed to be guarding it'll happily allow another Tyrant to join it to make them feel better and forget their FAILURE.

[WestRider]

Interesting. I hadn't noticed that they changed that again. For a while, you could only Join a Tyrant to Guard during Deployment.

[coredump]

yep, I was just told about that stealth change....

[Psychichobo]

It might have been because the previous change was seen as unnecessary. I certainly couldn't work out why they had forced it to be deployment only at the time.

[rpricew]

Oct 8, 2012 23:47:53 GMT Psychichobo said:

It might have been because the previous change was seen as unnecessary. I certainly couldn't work out why they had forced it to be deployment only at the time.

When they did it counted as a single kill point, now its back to two kill points. Not saying that's the reason, but it's still the facts.

[biorivera]

thanks guys! shame, i would have loved to have played with this.