1250p. List newish player.

[IainL]

Hey all, I'm playing a game this Wednesday against Orks probably and it's only gonna be my second real 40k game. Any advice on the list would be great. I'm trying to use models that I have, so that's why there's no termigaunts/tervigons.


Nids 1250p. (Tyranids)
HQ - 270
Hive Tyrant (270)
Leech Essence; Paroxysm; twin-linked devourers with brainleech worms; Hive Commander; bonded exoskeleton; wings.

Elites - 339
8 Ymgarl Genestealers (184)

2 Hive Guard (100)

The Doom of Malan'tai (55)

Troops - 438
9 Genestealers (219)
Broodlord (scything talons); scything talons; toxin sacs.

9 Genestealers (219)
Broodlord (scything talons); scything talons; toxin sacs.

Heavy Support - 200
Trygon (200)

[Deleted]

I personally wouldn't play 1250 with only 2, 9 model Troop units. Remember that most missions are objective heavy and it would be easy to wipe out all your troops and hand you nearly guaranteed game losses.

Also, DoM is 90 points, not 55, so your list is at 1282. Here's something similar

Nids 1250p. (Tyranids)
HQ - 270
Hive Tyrant (270)
Leech Essence; Paroxysm; twin-linked devourers with brainleech worms; Hive Commander; bonded exoskeleton; wings.

Elites - 414
8 Ymgarl Genestealers (184)

2 Hive Guard (100)

The Doom of Malan'tai w/Pod (130) No one will let him walk across the table

Troops - 366
9 Genestealers (201)
Broodlord (scything talons); toxin sacs.

16 Termagants (80

17 Termagants (85)

Heavy Support - 200
Trygon (200)

That is 1250 on the dot, gives you a lot more Troop bodies, will let DoM do his job and gives you a reason to have HC.

[Illithid]

^ I concur with 60mm. One thing though, you have no Synapse besides the Hive tyrant... it is going to not end well, how will your termagants even get to the objective you want? How will the Hive Guard shoot what you want? Synapse is important (moral of the story)

[scrotatohead]

If that's all you've got to work with then that's all you've got to work with. Couple observations and suggestions:

* You've pointed your Tyrant with only one set of Devourers. I presume you're keeping the Lash Whip and Bonesword? I suggest doubling up the devourers for 12 shots of essentially instant Ork death on the Zoom by. That's 15 points more.

* Ymgarls are good but you need troops and a few free points.

* The Doom can do well against Orks, but it along with your Hive Gaurd need Synapse of which you will have none around them as your Flyrant zooms around in the Ork backfield.

Here's my suggested list with the models you've got:

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, Paroxysm, Leech Essence, Hive Commander = 285 pts.

== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.
Zoanthrope (1) = 60 pts.

== Troops ==
Broodlord Brood (217 pts.)
Broodlord (1) - Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs = 65 pts.
Genestealer (8) - Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs = 152 pts.
Broodlord Brood (217 pts.)
Broodlord (1) - Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs = 65 pts.
Genestealer (8) - Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs = 152 pts.
Genestealer Brood (9) - Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs = 171 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Trygon (1) - Instinctive Behaviour - Feed = 200 pts.

== Total ==
1250 pts.

Hopefully you can scrounge up one more 'stealer model. I sugest dropping the DoM in favor of a Zoan so that you at least have synapse for your Hive Guard. With only leadership 7 there's a good chance on any given turn that they won't do what you want them to do. I also dropped the Ymgarls in favor of regular 'stealers because you need Troops more than you need the tricks that Ymgarls provide.

If these are all the models you've got you're really going to have to rely on tactics and board set up to have a shot at beating your opponent.

* You need to place terrain to your advantage. That means giving yourself some board edge cover for your outflanking unit to run into so they don't get shot up the moment they come on the board.

* You need to place objectives to your advantage. 'Stealers are fragile on the defense. If you want any shot at winning the contest you need to make sure that objectives are placed close to where you expect your 'Stealers to be doing thier business.

* Trygons go down hard to massed attacks, close combat or shooty. Don't let your beast get run down by a WAAGing wave of green. Target priority is key. Whether or not you start him on the board depends on the mission and what your opponent brings to the table. My preference is to start him on the board and deploy on a flank. Orks don't have great ranged attacks so I don't worry about losing him first turn.

* Get your Flyrant zooming and into the Ork backfield as quickly as possible so that he has two fronts to deal with. Target trucks so you can force his warboss to footslog instead of rumbling up to the front line. If you pop the truck start spraying infantry to thin the mobs as quickly as you can.

* Keep your Guard and Zoan in cover but play aggressive. You need these guys to be popping Kans, dropping coptas, etc. If you have to choose between losing a guard to losing a brood of scoring 'stealers, lose the guard. If you can position a LOS blocking model in the middle/front of your deployment zone so much the better.

* Don't get charged. Position and move your 'stealers so that you get the charge otherwise they will go down fast and without much return on the investment. Pray he doesn't bring a bunch of burna boyz.

*I'll let others suggest whether or not to keep or swap out psychic powers. I haven't played enough 6ed to know what would be best.

Good luck. If your opponent has a little regard for body count as a real Ork player should, you're in for a tough uphill slog.

[IainL]

Everything about what you just said is awesome, except that those Broodlord's units would actually be 219 pts each with their ST's, bringing the army to 1254 points unfortunately. I guess I'll have to drop the Broodlord's Talons

[IainL]

I ended up playing SM instead of orcs but I did manage a win! He is probably just as new to 40k as I am so it was a fun game where I learned quite a bit!