Enfeeble+PoM

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Anyone tinker with this? Sounds like awesome times for Implant Parasite tests! Toss it on GEQ for 3+ IP tests, yes please!

[jifel]

Wow. A psyker spam army could kick tail with a (please do not swear) ton of Rippers coming up... trhow enfeeble on Guard to str. 1 and... wow. That's gimmicky as it depends on psychic rolls, but quite rude if it works...

[wisdomseyes1]

Isn't there an issue with having to have something that has the option for enfeeble nearby the enemy at the same time as the Parasite?

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Oct 1, 2012 22:51:45 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Isn't there an issue with having to have something that has the option for enfeeble nearby the enemy at the same time as the Parasite?

It's not an issue at all if you use PoM and have any Psykers using Biomancy. Will it happen all the time? Of course not, but when you get enfeeble it's something to keep in mind. Really nice boost to PoM.

Also, you can't stack Enfeeble one one unit so you would take GEQ down to T2.

[coredump]

Enfeeble has a 24" range (IIRC), so they don't have to be that close.

The way the rules are currently written, enfeeble will stack. That may not be their intent, but that is a different question.

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Well I thought the fact that it says that different maledictions can stack but can't drop a stat below 1 or raise it above 10 meant it can't be the same malediction power stacking, but can be different powers effecting the stats. But, there aren't multiple powers that could get you in that scenario in any one Discipline so I guess it's only logical that it means separate castings of a malediction. T1 GEQ getting Implanted woohoo! That would be hilarious.

[wisdomseyes1]

I know we play tyranids and all, so 24" is actually a pretty massive distance... but let's remember that 24" is actually pretty... eh... when it comes to distances.

Not dissing the tactic... I just can't imagine focusing 2 units into 1 unit to gain access to rippers. Also, you will need 2+ psykers rolling biomancy to effectively get enfeeble (but we are tyranids, so that's not going to be difficult)

I also have to add another issue with the tactic... your using the PoM <3

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Oct 2, 2012 2:38:17 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

I know we play tyranids and all, so 24" is actually a pretty massive distance... but let's remember that 24" is actually pretty... eh... when it comes to distances.

From the middle of the board, 24" range can hit about 57% of the entire board. Not bad.
Sure, when looking at things like tanks and Dev squads, units designed to be fairly stationary gunline shooting from the back board edge.... you need 48"+. But when dealing with units more likely to be moving forward, it isn't bad.

Not dissing the tactic... I just can't imagine focusing 2 units into 1 unit to gain access to rippers.

But that *isn't all you get. You also get many more wounds/casualties from the unit attacking, less wounds casualties from getting attacked back, potential for IDing units otherwise immune..... *AND* possibly a couple of hundred points in 'free' units.


Notes: I have always played that each failed T test led to a unit of D6 rippers; so 3 failed T tests led to three units. Nope. Three failed tests (in one phase) leads to *1* ripper unit, with 3D6 models.
Also, all of those models must fit within 6" of the PoM; so make sure he isn't surrounded by Gargs.

[blindmage]

O.O!!! YES!!!!

Now I need justification to have psykers that I can do this with. too bad Malanthropes aren't psykers...

Damm! we have no end stage units that are psykers!

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I don't see why a Tervigon wouldn't be strange in the mop-up waves as precautionary defense. Or a Dakka Flyrant overseeing amd keeping the sky clear, since you have zero AA Blindmage

[wisdomseyes1]

But that *isn't all you get. You also get many more wounds/casualties from the unit attacking, less wounds casualties from getting attacked back, potential for IDing units otherwise immune..... *AND* possibly a couple of hundred points in 'free' units.

So your suggesting that the tactic is valid because enfeeble does the same thing for every unit that uses it (since everything before *AND* is something enfeeble does, period)... plus "a couple hundred free points" that don't do much since they can't score, deny, or assault vehicles.

yes, they are useful when they are "free" but you are still paying the 160 points and the HQ slot on the parasite for it.

Can we please, from now on, assume that the other person knows what enfeeble and other psychic powers do. The entire tactic is combining the Parasite and enfeeble, I know how enfeeble works, but how does it effect the Parasite? Well, see above: *All* you get is more rippers.

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You're being pretty negative Wisdom. Yes, "all it does" is get you more Rippers, but if you are fielding PoM that's probably what you want, I think it sounds like a blast.

[Illithid]

@wisdom - Seriously, it sounds like a fairly good tactic. What is the problem? Lets see what the possible bonuses may be:

1) You are getting something for free, that has 3 wounds apiece
2) The Rippers can take Overwatch shots for tougher units in future turns (biggest advantage I see here!)
3) They can provide cover.
4) By Enfeebling the target, the PoM will not get ID by those Powerfists in SM units either
5) Rippers are not slowed by Difficult terrain, so actually can engage the enemy faster
6) By Enfeebling SM or Orks (even Guardsmen), opens up the chance to negate things like FNP with Strength 6+ Weaponry such as T/L Devourers or even MC Attacks (say Apothacary in DA TH-SS squad or Blood Angels or Nobz/MegaNobz)
7) Depending on Unit Upgrades, things like the PoM's Gargoyle's will have Re-rollable Toxic Sac To Wound Rolls

[wisdomseyes1]

Oct 2, 2012 18:02:02 GMT @60mm said:

You're being pretty negative Wisdom. Yes, "all it does" is get you more Rippers, but if you are fielding PoM that's probably what you want, I think it sounds like a blast.

Yes, if your fielding the PoM xD

I am not being negative, i am being realistic. As I have already said, i am not dissing the tactic, though I personally wouldnt spend the money and points to make a parasite and use it to spam rippers. That is just me.

My entire last post is in response to a post that said I was wrong for saying the only thing this tactic does is spawn more rippers. I don't think i am wrong...

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Oct 2, 2012 17:48:42 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Can we please, from now on, assume that the other person knows what enfeeble and other psychic powers do. The entire tactic is combining the Parasite and enfeeble, I know how enfeeble works, but how does it effect the Parasite? Well, see above: *All* you get is more rippers.

You have it backwards you are the one that brought up the cost of the 'combo'.
"I just can't imagine focusing 2 units into 1 unit to gain access to rippers."

See, it is your post that makes the assumption that you are focusing two units to gain access to rippers.
You conveniently ignored any other benefit; if you only wanted to discuss the 'benefit' of extra rippers, than the only additional 'cost' is using the PoM.
Now it seems you want it both ways, you assign the 'cost' of using two models, but only review the 'benefit' from one.

plus "a couple hundred free points" that don't do much since they can't score, deny, or assault vehicles.

Hmmm.. a doom scythe can't score or deny either.... it doesn't strike me as useless
Of course, the Doom Scythe can attack vehicles; but it is 175 pts, and the rippers are free.

Are you saying that attacking non-vehicle models is the same as 'not doing much'? how about tarpitting? How about absorbing Power weapon shots? How about attacking Long Fang squads...

In short,if you can't figure out a way to benefit from 160 pts of free rippers... you are doing it wrong.