Lesson Learned (terrain)

[demoric]

So the other day I played a brutal 1000pt. game against necrons. I kept a 5 unit of genestealers, broodlord, and a prime in some ruins outside of LOS doing nothing until turn 5. They were to be my safety measure to win the game. My opponent had finally managed to push some scarab swarms over to my table side within assault range of my objective holders. This was the moment for my genestealers to shine. The moment I planned for all game. They only needed to charge 4 inches from behind a ruin wall moving through it. I make my roll only to have my opponent argue that you can't move through walls.

We didn't discuss that aspect of the terrain before game, I mentioned to the effect that that is the default allowance in 6th. Still arguing, so we just rolled off. I lost the roll and the game. Afterwards I find the section in the book and show my opponent, and say that we should discuss it next game when we set the terrain. My opponent then went into making up all sorts of house rules that I would have to allow if we did move through walls. Things like removing cover saves all together in the terrain. Ignoring LOS and just allow units within gun range to be shot at. Lots of frustration for me. Especially since I started getting more city terrain and bought the cities of death book to play with him in the future.

[DukeMantis]

It sounds like your opponent is an unfriendly player, its fair enough if he/she doesnt like some of the terrain rules but they are still the rules. If he/she thinks its ok to invent silly rules to counteract what they believe are silly rules in the rulebook well... two wrongs dont make a right in any case.

Its always adviseable to take the time to check up on the house rules and what terrain is what at the start of the game... i myself have forgotten many times but that was in WHF, where its more obvious what you see is what you get.

They sound kinda mean to be honest... If it was me i wouldnt play them again. Im sorry to hear about your frustration, players invest alot into their armies and the game so its not nice to be messed with.

[demoric]

He's just a really competitive player. I'll see lists tailored to my standard army build using Necrons and Grey Knights. I don't mind it as I like a good challenge. It was just frustrating to me to have soo much of my list tied up and then to have the carpet pulled out from under my feet so to speak. I ranted a bit there. I just need to discuss all terrain features at the start of the game. If I knew he wanted the ruin walls to be impassible it would have changed my tactics.

[Deleted]

Sounds like a jerk

[gigasnail]

tell him to read the rules and stop being an asshat. seriously. it's not even ambiguous that you can move through walls. it's plainly stated.

[eeknight]

"They're coming out of the walls -- let's book!"

[Anggul]

Yeah, you win that game by default, he denied you something clearly stated in the rulebook, not to mention it would have caused you to win had you done so.

[gigasnail]

^

[gigasnail]

also, it's not like this is new or surprising. it was exactly the same in 5th.

[glassiya]

Sept 29, 2012 14:09:49 GMT demoric said:

So the other day I played a brutal 1000pt. game against necrons.

Show him page 99.

"Walls, Doors, Ladders and Lateral Thinking"
It's perfectly acceptable to assume the combatabts on both sides have brought plenty of cutting tools, acidic desintegrators or naked ferocity to muscle their way through any wall so foolish as to block their path. Indeed, the normal rules for moving through difficult terrain allow you to do just this. Equally you and your opponent could decide before your game that models can only pass from one side of the wall to the other if they walk around, or if there is a door, window, gate or similar handy opening.
(C)

Quite easy. By default, you CAN move through walls,
If both of you want to deny it and agree with that BEFORE GAME STARTS - well, you can deny it.
So you are clearly 100% right.

[doberman]

You were correct he was wrong. House rules only come into play if both players agree to them before the game, and BOTH players must agree to use the rule.

[ZergLord]

What kind of wall was it? Did it have any openings, like windows or such? Units can't declare charges if they can't see their targets - BRB page 20.

[demoric]

Oct 1, 2012 22:09:47 GMT ZergLord said:

What kind of wall was it? Did it have any openings, like windows or such? Units can't declare charges if they can't see their targets - BRB page 20.

It was a wall of a ruin. Part of the unit could see, but not those behind the wall. Thanks for mentioning that section though. It is something to keep in mind.

I recently played another game and we played ruins as they are listed in the book with no further problems. I had a 8-3 win against a grey knights list with storm ravens. A very fun and challenging game. I started the game out specifically asking how we wanted to handle the buildings and played accordingly.

[DukeMantis]

Good job demoric, you showed those Grey Knights who's boss!