Prototype 1500

[riverzora]

Ok, so after deliberating the dilemma of wanting a mixed, interesting Hive Fleet, but also one that is sensible competitively, I have come up with this. It hopefully isn't too (please do not swear), without being 3 Tervigons and 60 Termagants. I haven't decided whether to Have the double HQ choice+Warriors, or swap them out for either more mini-nids or maybe an extra Tyrant Guard or a DoM and pod... or even some Gargoyles to get some fasties in. Let me know what you think and see if there is anything you can suggest for the next prototype. Also any names, as its old name 'Hydra' is now being used by an official fleet in official material... we're quick running out of relevant mythical creatures.

Unit Additional Cost
HQ
Swarmlord β 280
Tyrant Guardx2 120
Tyranid Prime +Whip/Sword, +Deathspitter, +Toxin 110
Troops
Tyranid Warriorx3 +Rendingx3, +Toxinx3 120
Genestealersx7 +Broodlordx1, +Toxinx7 165
Tervigon w/Salvo,+Catalyst 175
Termagantsx10 +Devourersx10 100
Elites
Hive Guard x2 100
Zoanthropex2 120
Heavy
Trygon +Toxin 210
Total 1500

The odd number of Genestealers is because they have a weird points cost and I wanted to use up every point available. Why they're not a multiple of five baffles me... but they should allow for a good late-game infiltration to take units from behind.

[Illithid]

i like it and it should work. I would personally keep Cluster spines on the Tervigon.

[tytus]

Looks good

For Mythical creatures


manticore, jabberwocky, chupacabra, dragon, Rox, phoenix, basilisk, chimera, valkarie, Tengu, medussa, grendel (sorta), Sphinx, Lumatra, Jackal... there are loads, just look at fantasy units and pick one. Hope this helps

[riverzora]

Had a little bit of an alternate go just based on what models I want to try to convert... There's one possible change, and that's replacing the DoM with Ymgarls, and then grabbing a Biovore/third Hive Guard alongside- but sticking with this for now because I wanna try out a spore and a DoM. Sorry about formatting, posting from Excel.

Unit Additional Cost
HQ
Swarmlord β 280
"Tyrant Guard
x2" +Lashwhip 130
Troops
Tervigon "w/Salvo
+Claws
+Catalyst" 200
"Termagants
x10" "+Devourersx10
+Toxin" 110
"Genestealers
x6" "+Broodlordx1
+Toxinx6
+BL Talons" 150
Elites
"Hive Guard
x2" 100
"Zoanthrope
x2" 120
Doom of Malan'tai +Spore 130
Fast Attack
Gargoyles x10 +Toxin 70
Heavy
Trygon +Toxin 210
Total 1500

[riverzora]

Just a quickie of my colour scheme so far... step by step in the painting thread

[riverzora]

Sorry to bump this, but about to do a bulk buy and I want to make sure this is all a good idea before I do

[l0rdf1end]

Unit Additional Cost
HQ
Swarmlord â 280
"Tyrant Guard
x2" +Lashwhip 130 - Swarmlord is awesome, he only needs one guard though if you roll biomancy and get Endurance.
Troops
Tervigon "w/Salvo - I'd pop some extra powers on him, Biomancy and Telekenesis Diciplines are all good.
+Claws
+Catalyst" 200
"Termagants
x10" "+Devourersx10 - I wouldnt bother unless you put them in a Spore and suicide them to take out rear armour.
+Toxin" 110
"Genestealers
x6" "+Broodlordx1 - One unit... depends what your plan is here, they could hold an objective and Go to Ground in ruins for a 3+.
+Toxinx6
+BL Talons" 150
Elites
"Hive Guard
x2" 100
"Zoanthrope - I would just go more Hive Guard, T6, 2 wounds is hard to kill. Zoans are just a little unreliable.
x2" 120
Doom of Malan'tai +Spore 130
Fast Attack
Gargoyles x10 +Toxin 70
Heavy
Trygon +Toxin 210
Total 1500

In all, I think we all need to aim for more durability in 6th edition. I would aim for more T6.

[riverzora]

Plan with the 'stealers is to infiltrate late game and pick up objectives/the rear. I quite like Ymgarls as well though, so may swap out Zoans for them if you really don't think they're a good idea? I got the feeling they'd be quite handy (not least for synapse purposes) from the codex.

Also- how does Biomancy and Psykers work now? I've been reading the rule book, but still significantly confused about the whole thing.

[swarmy]

Oct 1, 2012 14:44:41 GMT riverzora said:

Plan with the 'stealers is to infiltrate late game and pick up objectives/the rear. I quite like Ymgarls as well though, so may swap out Zoans for them if you really don't think they're a good idea? I got the feeling they'd be quite handy (not least for synapse purposes) from the codex.

Also- how does Biomancy and Psykers work now? I've been reading the rule book, but still significantly confused about the whole thing.

Going to ground in area terrain is +2 to cover save in 6th if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if it's also +2 in ruins. I've tried the small batch genestealers hiding till late game for objectives. It's been hit or miss for me since at that size they are almost guaranteed nothing kill-wise and they can only hug the ground and pray volley after volley. Maybe you'll have better luck with it and psychic powers on the broodlord could maybe work in your favor better.

You just swap out a power for a power based on how many powers you bring. Zoanthrope: warp lance, warp blast > roll a dice in biomancy, roll a dice in biomancy. It has to be the same discipline though.

[riverzora]

Are the biomancy powers always worth swapping out for? No love for the 'nids' own powers?

[swarmy]

Oct 1, 2012 15:55:14 GMT riverzora said:

Are the biomancy powers always worth swapping out for? No love for the 'nids' own powers?

Eh, it's a matter of opinion...some have stronger opinions than others and I'm sure they will chime in on this

Broodlord you might as well swap his powers out, even though he has a chance of getting un-usable ones, because his standard ones are so situational. Zoanthropes are a toss-up. The AP3 blast is still pretty handy versus marines and some of the shooty psychic powers are lackluster. As for the bigger bugs like swarmlord and hive tyrants they tend to want that *chance* at iron arm pretty badly. The chance of being S9 T9 is really tempting when you spend a freaking fortune of your list points on them

I'd say try it all out and have fun. The new psychic stuff mixes things up quite a bit. Biomancy, telepathy, and telekinesis all have fun things in them.

[riverzora]

Ok, had another little play. How about this:

Unit Additional Cost
HQ
Swarmlord β 280
"Tyrant Guard
x2" +Lashwhip 130

Troops
Tervigon "w/Salvo
+Claws
+Catalyst" 200
"Termagants
x10" "+Devourers and Toxin 110
Termagants
X10+Devourers and Toxin 110
"Genestealers
x6" "+Broodlordx1
+Toxinx6
+BL Talons" 150

Elites
"Hive Guard
x2" 100q
Doom of Malan'tai +Spore 130

Fast Attack
Gargoyles x10 +Toxin 70

Heavy
Trygon +Toxin 210
Total 1500

With the following additions for 2000

+1 Tervigon as above 200
+2 Zoanthropes 120
+6 Toxinstealers (-BL Talons) 100
+5 Gargoyles 35
+Biovore 45
= 500pts

Ta da. Much is for flavour as much as worth (like the whips on the guards), but I quite like the list. Allows for a mix of fun things happening. Lemme know what you reckon.

[riverzora]

And for 2000, add a Flyrant and Old One Eye and remove the Biovore! Bish bash bosh!