Reaching the back line

[scrotatohead]

So with 6th edition emphasizing shooting lists the old gun lines are becoming more and more prominent in my gaming group. Tao gun lines and IG Russes with heels against the back of their deployment zone. Surprisingly, none of our gaming group have enough models to go with a flying circus so I don't have to worry about that tactic. No, I just have to reach models all the way across the table protecting their rear armor from Devourers.

So aside from getting lucky and having a scenario that allows me to ignore the gun line or that forces the line to advance and expose its weak side, how do you bring them down?

[coredump]

First issue, is play the mission... usually objectives. If they are hugging the back line.... take the objectives and wait him out. (more or less)

Also, speed helps. Flyrants can move 24", Tervigons can 'launch' a gaunt attack about 24" (yeah, unlikely, but possible), Drop pods, deep strike, Raveners, Gargs.... Not all of these are great choices, but it depends on your list and your area meta.

Terrain: remember, there should be 6-18 pieces of substantial sized terrain on the board, of various types. If you let them set up 5 pieces of craters... you are screwed.

DoM and Yealers add that speed element, and can take out shooty infantry.

[Deleted]

^ What he said.

Also, don't forget that Hive Commander is another nice way to disrupt the backlines. A Tervigon or beefy Warrior unit showing up on their flank can be nasty and, in the very least, a distraction that must be dealt with, giving your army time to take objectives/advance.

[baconslice]

When they sit back, I like to DS a trygon prime up there butts. Pop up, don't really need to worry about scatter too much. Then shoot their infantry with a lovely assault 20, and smash their stupid russ' best of all if your lucky enough to get big guns nt then added bonus of a scoring unit.

[Lanesend]

^ That should be an assault 12 shooting attack, I think.
I wouldn't DS a "single" unit next to a gun line. If you have two or three threats at the same time, preferably with some Ymgarls, then that may be a good idea.

[gloomfang]

I have a few disruption units that I use for times like this. Deathleaper, Fex in a pod and Swarmlord with Gate (when I roll it).

I will agree with the fact that castling is much harder to do in 6th with needing to take/denigh objectives.

[elitemaster]

What I do is I put 5 units that show up on my enemies side by turn 2 then the rest of the swarm is running up the board for a turn 2 most of the time.

[edjammies]

Sept 21, 2012 7:45:32 GMT Lanesend said:

^ That should be an assault 12 shooting attack, I think.
I wouldn't DS a "single" unit next to a gun line. If you have two or three threats at the same time, preferably with some Ymgarls, then that may be a good idea.

the trygon prime has both containment spines[assault 12] AND bio-electric pulse[assault 8]; in the Monstrous Creature section of the rule book (page 48), it says that MC's can fire two range weapons during the shooting phase.

[doomthumbs]

And containment spines read:
When a model with containment spines fires its bio electric pulse, it uses the following profile.

So, either 6 or 12, not 18.

[Anggul]

I imagine multi-assaulting as many of their shooty infantry squads as possible with Ymgarls would work well. Sure you get disordered charge, but no gunline troops are going to stand a chance against Genestealers even without the bonus attack.

That and Hive Guard behind terrain, spore-dropping Zoanthropes, and dare I say it... Trygon tunnel perhaps?

Have half of your army deep strike into their face (preferably with cover of course) and have the rest keeping in terrain and waiting for the opportune moment. Flyers sounds good to get up there too, as well as Gargoyles, Hormagaunts and Shrikes to move fast and hop between terrain.

[DukeMantis]

coredump how did you figure 6-18 nice sized terrain pieces? I like the sound of that

[WestRider]

Sept 23, 2012 0:34:35 GMT DukeMantis said:

coredump how did you figure 6-18 nice sized terrain pieces? I like the sound of that

The new Rules for Terrain placement call for d3 pieces per 2'x2' section of Board. On a 6x4 Table, that's 6d3 pieces of Terrain.

[leeroy1986]

It also says thats a rough guideline and to use whatever you want really iirc.

[coredump]

And that is true for every rule in the book.

[leeroy1986]

It says on Page 120 under alternating terrain:-

"If you and your opponent can't agree on a narrative to help you set up the terrain, you should use this method instead.

My point being most people don't bother and prefer just to wack the scenery on as long as it looks fair, so that method is rarely used. I bet at most tournaments they would want you to use ready setup terrain not the setup method in the book.

Leeroy