Speed list - 1750

[blind[tyrant]guardian]

HQ: Flyrant, 2 TL Devs, 2 biomancy - 260 pts

Flyrant, LW&BS, TL Devs, 2 Biomancy - 245 pts

Elites: 3 hive guard - 150 pts

Troops: 23 Hormagants (TS) - 184 pts
20 Hormagants (TS) - 160 pts

Fast Attack: 6 Shrikes, 2BS, AG - 300 pts

30 Gargoyles (TS) - 210 pts

6 Raveners (Rending claws, Spinefists) - 240 pts

This list is very straightforward, close with the enemy as fast as possible and get whackin'! Seems like it could be nice, but what can i do to improve it?

[thatnidguy]

This list is close to mine. I love the speed of this list.

I would 86 the 3 extra guants, and 15 gargolyes ( dont get me wrong ) i love them. Add a trygon ( not prime ) you want that rage, same with the guants.

I see all the time HG are awesome. I always loved the thropes. once you pop the large tanks , I use them as plasma cannons.

Never used Raveners, i really would like to try sometimes, they seem deadly in their own right.

Flyrant... I love me some CC with it, most of the time it will draw most of the fire... im ok with that since i have gargs rushing the lines with guants, while trygon hit the back field .

just my 2 cents

[coredump]

HGaunts and Gargs I prefer with both AG and TS; gives them more versatility. If you want 30 gargs, would put them into 2 broods. 30 tends to be more unweildy than useful.

I would be nervous about a 300 pt shrike squad... I think 4-5 of the should be plenty deadly, and less of a target.

If you go with the Trygon, I would say go with Prime. ALways getting the extra shooting, precision strike, precision Shot, and SitW; seems much better than the possibility of getting one extra attack, for one round, if you charge.

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I'd get TS on the Shrikes, seems a shame to have such a CC killy unit with no TS and you really wanna force more ID tests with the dual BS.

[thatnidguy]

@ Coredump I agree about the smaller broods of gargs, they tend to be 1. a pain in the you know what to move 2. not all will make it in CC and see 1. =)

Dont get me wrong, I think shrinkes are deadly, I wanted to run them myself before i got hooked on gargoyles. 4-5 models for 300 pts no armor saves on wounds 12" movement and that LD test, seems very tempting, but i can see spending 45 per model when i can get 30 models for 180 minus upgrades. I see a shrike unit for taking out elites or SC.. thats use the Hguants and gargs for. I do want to make a all fast attack/ warrior army would be neat.

again just my 2 cents. although you do make a good point on them, i might have to change it up a bit

[fleetofclaw]

Shrikes: run 5 with toxin sacs and bonesword/lashwhips for 275. Super stompy, fast moving unit while keeping cost reasonable.

Raveners are awesome, I started using them in 6th and I'm happy with them.

My concern is your troop situation is flimsy and unless you think you can table every opponent (which you can't) you'll have a hard time in missions. Even my need for speed list has a mandatory Tervigon troop choice, and in most lists now she comes with a brood of devourer gaunts, which at ten points they're nastier than fully tooled up hgants, provide scary overwatch capabilities, and usually put the hurt on the enemy earlier than hgants would. Though it may not fit the motif, they're still "fast" in the sense that they have a 24" shooting threat range.

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[blind[tyrant]guardian]

What is the most effective way to use raveners?

[fleetofclaw]

Sept 19, 2012 22:07:46 GMT blind[tyrant]guardian said:

What is the most effective way to use raveners?

Exploit their ability to 4x4 their way through cover at full speed to ensure cover saves on your way in. Pick targets wisely like any t4 multi wound Nid. You can't be as indiscriminate with them as shrikes since they're not as killy. So you can't throw them at terminator squads and other things where too many nasty things will survive your charge and ID your squad to nothing, but also don't be afraid of larger squads of light to medium infantry.


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