Marine killer list

[blind[tyrant]guardian]

Usually space marines are my main foe, so this list is been somewhat tailored to beat them.

HQ:
Hive tyrant (Armored Shell, TL Devs w/ worms, Hive commander, 2 biomancy powers,)
260 Pts

Tyranid prime (AG, 2BS, regen)
110 Pts

Elites:
3 zoanthropes
180 pts

Troops
10 termies
50 Pts
10 Termies
50 pts
Tervigon (3 biomancy, TS, AG)
210 pts
Tervigon (3 biomancy, AG, TS)
210 pts
5 Warriors (2BS, AG, outflank , barbed strangler, [hive commander])
235

Fast Attack:
20 Gargoyles
120 pts

Heavy support:
3 Dakkafexes (2 TL Devs w/ worms)
570 pts

1995 pts

tactics: tervigons up the sides of the board, escorted by the gaunts, dakkafexes straight up the middle, zoanthropes in front soaking fire. gargoyles screen your tyrant (AS rather than wings because a krak missile doesn't get Instant penetration). w/ hive commander, prime+warriors are in reserve, hive commander lets them outflank while warriors cause commotion, your carnifexes should be wrecking anything they come by. keep them within range of endurance, cause with fnp they are unstoppable.

Any recommendations? i was considering ymgarls, but i realized that the warriors are better in cc and could outflank, but i may be wrong.

[firedragon]

I would drop 1 zoanthrope and add a tyrant guard to the tyrant. Some extra protection would be nice. This way you can always elect to put the prime there as well instead of adding him to the dakkafexes.

Options are king.

You run your gargoyles naked? So they are there just for fodder right?

[blind[tyrant]guardian]

yeah the gargoyles are mostly for screening, and if the opponent ignores them they can be a force to reckon with. i figure that against space marines their prime target will be the 'fexen and friends, so the little stuff, particularly gargoyles, will sometimes go unnoticed. most of the time though, the gargoyles will die before ever reaching cc, so i figure that TS and AG are a waste of 4 ppm, ultimately 80 pts. (tyrant guard, hive guard, plenty of stuff that can fill 80 pts).

[firedragon]

Ymgarls would be better than warriors, as Ymgarls can charge on the turn they come out of reserve. Warriors can't do that anymore due to the new outflank rules. Besides, you would still need to roll to see on which side they are going to appear from.

You could also just go for 2x2 Hive guard and drop the warriors and the Ymgarl idea altogether. I would go for that option.

[blind[tyrant]guardian]

i guess the hive guard are good, but the list that i commonly face has multiple land raiders. that means that a hiveguard's S8 cannon glances on a 6. as for characters, ID is viable only they fail their 2+ save (artificer or terminator armor). whereas the zoans have a 10/1 lance that makes a mockery of tanks. maybe instead of the warriors, prime + 1 zoan i could put in a 2 barebones trygons. Hows this?

HQ:
Hive tyrant (Armored Shell, TL Devs w/ worms, Hive commander, 2 biomancy powers,)

Elites:
Doom of Malan'tai (mycetic spore)
130 pts
Troops
10 termies
50 Pts
10 Termies
50 pts
Tervigon (3 biomancy, TS, AG)
210 pts
Tervigon (3 biomancy, AG, TS)
210 pts

Fast Attack:
20 Gargoyles
120 pts

Heavy support:
3 Dakkafexes (2 TL Devs w/ worms)
570 pts
Trygon
200 pts
Trygon
200 pts
2000 pts

Target priority is going to be interesting in this list...

[firedragon]

How bout dropping one dakkafex and adding 3 zoanthropes?

That would provide a cover screen for the MC's as well + you get your ranged anti-landraider.

[blind[tyrant]guardian]

HQ:
Hive tyrant (Armored Shell, TL Devs w/ worms, Hive commander, 2 biomancy powers,)

Elites:
Doom of Malan'tai (mycetic spore)
130 pts
3 Zoanthropes
180 pts

Troops:
10 termies
50 Pts
10 Termies
50 pts
Tervigon (3 biomancy, TS, AG)
210 pts
Tervigon (3 biomancy, AG, TS)
210 pts

Fast Attack:
10 Gargoyles
60 pts
10 Gargoyles
60 pts

Heavy support:
2 Dakkafexes (2 TL Devs w/ worms)
380 pts
Trygon
200 pts
Trygon
200 pts

2000 pts