Tyrgon Prime

[elitemaster]

what does that (ch) after the MC mean I dont know what it means

[Moontyranid]

its means that he is a charekter and you can do challens white him

[elitemaster]

That is cool. Now I know this might be anwered but I want to cheack. The Bonesword have ID in there rules does that mean my oppent cannt take thier feel now pain rolls

[Cydrone]

new rulbook FAQ it say

"Q: ken Fel Now Pain rolls be against unsaved Woundeds
inficted bye weapons that hav the ID special rule? (p35)
A: No.

[swarm492]

I found this question interesting because the bonesword dose not directly cause instant death, the mini needs to suffer a unsaved wound by a bone sword and then fail a LD test. Because we have already attempted to save the wound before instant death becomes a factor could a opponent argue fnp can be used.

I may be way off I'm just trying to be ready for future arguments that might mix up my constant reiteration of what the impaler cannon can do and what saves you can get.

[Cydrone]

That is true.

It's not the sword actually causing the wound, but the model itself. As such, it would neither be a weapon nor does it have the ID rule, it merely causes ID.

Ahh, semantics.
All that aside, it seems the FAQ would - should - apply in this case.

[Jabberwocky]

FnP is not a save, it triggers when an unsaved wound is suffered. You can argue the timing off the ID test is before FnP, thus denying them if the test is failed.

You can also argue FnP comes first though and there is no real evidence either way.

[Cydrone]

On second thought though, this line of thought would also work against Force weapons, since those also require prerequisite actions taken before actually causing ID.

The catch being, that I've seen argued elsewhere, is they both have the "immediate" clause, which would seem to preempt the attempt to make the FnP roll.
But at this point, I'm just rehashing others' arguments.

The FAQ seems to be GW's attempt to quickly, in broad strokes, bury the whole issue by simply issuing a general No.

[rpricew]

Since the controlling player gets to decide the order of simultaneous actions; iirc, FNP happens at the same time as the Leadership test, therefore on your turn you could force the Leadership test before he gets his FNP. Of course on their turn, they could reverse it on you. Taking FNP before the Leadership test.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, If you decide to Smash with your Trygon, you could bypass T4-T5 FNP because you're hitting at Str 10. Of course that would only be 4 attacks on the charge... with re-rolls to hit with dual Scything Talons, and re-rolls to wound with Toxin Sacs. But it's definitely something to remember. If you can get a friendly Psyker to cast Enfeeble on the unit first, then you can get your full attacks at Str 6.

[Cydrone]

That is the ruling that is simplest and should be used if in doubt, but it has been argued that "immediately" places the test ahead of the FnP roll, which lacks such urgent wording.

[wisdomseyes1]

Bone swords, soul devourer, and I believe one eldar weapon all have the same confusing wording. The test is taken upon the wound.

At very worst, you can roll off with your opponent if your opponent doesnt agree. You could also make the decision that the person whose turn it is chooses the order of effects that happen at the same time (which FnP and Boneswords do)

I personally feel that the bonesword leadership test comes before the Feel no Pain. It would make sense, since else you would be taking a feel no pain save vs something that right after causes instant death.

[elitemaster]

Ok I got the answer I was looking for when I made this thread and we are now off topic. So lets move to the FNP vs Bonesword thread I posted on it that you guys should look at.

[wisdomseyes1]

You asked a question on a thread you made a question in. Not entirely off topic though it doesnt directly parallel with the title of the thread.

[elitemaster]

Ok I had a Trouny today and the judge said you will take the test to see if the bonesword IDs the about first before FNP so yes a bonesword can negat FNP

P.S. I took 5th out of 9 player. Last match was agains a enemy with 3 flyers

[wisdomseyes1]

It requires an official ruling not a judges ruling.

Nova ruled that FMC who were grounded still required skyfire until the next turn pre-FAQ. Not everything people say is 100% correct.