2k Tourney - Need Advice Please

[rpricew]

So we have a 2k tournament coming up in Atlanta, Ga on Sept 23, 2012. Full 6th edition rules with Allies, Double FOC, Mysterious everything, player put terrain. If it's a 6th edition rule, then it's in. Also, Forgeworld 40K approved units are in as well.

2000 points.

All the 6th Edition Rules:
* 2 FOC?  If that's what you need.  
* Allies?  Sure.
* Fortifications?  How else do you plan to shoot down flyers?
* Warlord traits?  Yep.
* Alternating terrain placement? You betcha.
* Mysterious Terrain?  Water and forests, yes.  Don't you love razorwings?!?

Plus, the "40k" Forge World models and characters are legal.  I.e., nothing with structure points, no gargantuan creatures. (Not the FW army lists, though.  Sorry.)

3 rounds.  26 player maximum.  Entry fee will be $15, with a swag item for all players. For prepayment, please send paypal to [e-mail], or call the store with a CC - 770-578-1497

Prizes and ribbons for:
* Best Overall
* Best General
* Best Painted
* Favorite Opponent
* Army of One - Extra points if you use only one FOC and no allies

My Basic Core Units:

HQ:
Hive Tyrant (Hive Commander, LW+BS, TL Devs, Toxin Sacs, Wings) - 280

Elite:
Doom w/ Mycetic Spore (TL Deathspitter) - 140
8 Ymgarls - 184

Troops:
Tervigon (Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands, 2 Biomancy) - 220
Tervigon (Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands, 2 Biomancy) - 220
10 Devilgants - 100
10 Devilgants - 100

Fast:
None

Heavy:
Trygon (Toxin Sacs) - 210
Devilfex (Dual TL Devs, Toxin Sacs, Frag) w/ Mycetic Spore (TL Deathspitter) - 255

Base Army Points: 1709
Strategy: Deploy both Tervigons & two 10 man Devilgants. Trygon either deep strikes or deploys depending on opponent. This is a Turn 2 Alpha strike with Doom, Ymgarls, Hive Tyrant, Trygon & Carnifex all arriving usually on a 2+. Prime & Warriors included if they make the list (see below). I usually get all but one unit in from reserves on turn 2. Then I just use Biomancy to increase durability and enfeeble when possible. Claim objectives for the win.

Now, I have been running different units lately to fill out this army. I have another post called "1999 +1 Hybrid List" for details. I'm posting this to get direct feedback as that's more of a blog of my battles.

Option #1: 290 points
Pros: Scoring, Outflanking, Line Breaking, Close Combat, Shooting
Cons: Slow to move & Shoot, vulnerable to Str 8
Strategy: Attach the Prime and use Hive Commander to Outflank (usually arrive turn 2)

HQ: Tyranid Prime (LW+BS, Deathspitter, Toxin Sacs) - 110
Troop: 4 Warriors (Deathspitters, Dual Bone Swords) - 180

Option #2 (Deathleaper): 390 Points
Pros: Psyker defense (Eldrad, Librarian, Swarmlord), Extra assault unit turn 3, scoring/line breaking troop (Warriors) unit via outflanking
Cons: Lose Toxin Sacs on Monstrous Creatures, Vulnerable to Str 8+, Lose 2 Ymgarl Genestealers (reducing their effectiveness)
Strategy: Use Deathleaper to lower key Psyker leadership, ambush soft units with 2+ cover save, +1 Reserve bonus if enemy has -1 modifies in their army. Outflanking Warriors unit to Linebreak/Score/Contest

HQ: Tyranid Prime (LW+BS, Deathspitter) - 100
Elite: Deathleaper - 140
Troops: 3 Warriors (LW+BS, Deathspitter) - 150

Option #3 (Fast Attack): 320 Points
Pros: Mobile cover save, Raveners are fast & deadly, Scoring in the Scouring, underestimated units
Cons: loss of Outflanking Troop unit, loss of spore shooting, lose Toxin Sacs on Tyrant & Carnifex, 1-2 rounds of shooting at them (possible easy First Blood KP)
Strategy: Gargoyles screen the Raveners and Trygon moving up the table utilizing cover & los blocking terrain.

Fast Attack: 10 Gargoyles (Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands) - 80
Fast Attack: 6 Raveners (Devourers, Rending Claws) - 240

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I've played with all three lists, I only lost with the Deathleaper list and that was against a very good Tyranid Player who showed me what Smash and Enfeeble will do to our MCs... LOL

What would you do? I'm having some success, and this tournament will have all of the heavy hitting tournament style lists there. I am currently 9:1:0 with these three lists against fair players and average lists.

[demoric]

I find the best upgrades are more units/bodies
For option 3 I would drop AG and TS for gargoyles as this would give you more bodies for screening.
You may also consider removing the death spitters on your pods as the BS is poor even though it is twin-linked
Str 6 Monsterous creatures don't usually gain a lot of re-rolls for toxin-sacs and wounds most things on a 2+ (Its not a bad upgrade but an area to consider cutting if you are shy the last few points on your list)

[rpricew]

Sept 7, 2012 2:40:35 GMT demoric said:

I find the best upgrades are more units/bodies
For option 3 I would drop AG and TS for gargoyles as this would give you more bodies for screening.
You may also consider removing the death spitters on your pods as the BS is poor even though it is twin-linked
Str 6 Monsterous creatures don't usually gain a lot of re-rolls for toxin-sacs and wounds most things on a 2+ (Its not a bad upgrade but an area to consider cutting if you are shy the last few points on your list)

Are you saying that option 3 is your best pick? Why do you think that? What does it give over the other options? In order to use option 3, I would have to drop the Deathspitters from the pods and 10 points from somewhere else. I just don't remember where I took it from. I think I took off the Toxin Sacs on the Flyrant.

[rpricew]

I hate to bump my own thread... but with the new FAQ, I had to take a stab at a dual Flyrant list based around my Hybrid Strike list. Comments and Criticisms please!

HQ:
Hive Tyrant (Warlord): Wings, 2 TL Devs, Hive Commander, 2 Biomancy powers - 285
Hive Tyrant: Wings, 2 TL Devs, Old Adversary, 2 Biomancy powers -285

Elite:
Doom: Mycetic Spore -130
Deathleaper -140
10 Ymgarls - 230

Troops:
Tervigon: Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands, 2 Biomancy powers - 205
Tervigon: Toxin Sacs, 2 Biomancy powers - 195
10 Termagants - 50
10 Termagants - 50

Heavy Support:
Trygon: Toxin Sacs - 210
Carnifex: 2 TL Devourers, Toxin Sacs, Mycetic Spore - 240

2000 points.

Reserve everything but the Tervigons & Termagants (depending on opponent & deployment, maybe leave the Trygon on the table for backfield support, and target saturation). Deathleaper provides added Psyker defense.
Everything else arrives on a 2+ hopefully Turn 2. (probably 5 of the 6 units will show up). Run the Flyrants as a pair giving Preferred Enemy to both.


EDIT*** there is a dual FOC version of this with two 5 man units of Ymgarls instead of the 10 man unit. The reason I thought of this, would be to either strike at two easier targets, or hide them both in the same piece of terrain. Good probability of them both coming in, then run them at the same unit. Would also allow for a multi-assault without losing the +1 attack for charging. Just a little tweak, but the points worked out that way.