Lists to watch out for!

[drakiskier]

I would like to show off one of the lists I've encountered recently (though havent faced)... the Necron Death Flyers

The really scary part here is that it can be achieved with only 1750 points...

HQ
-Overlord - 90pts
-Gauntlet of fire
-Res orb

Troops - 1100 pts total
-Immortal squad x6
-Night Scythe x6

Heavy - 525pts
-Doom Scythe x3


It ranks up there with the DE venom spam...

[l0rdf1end]

I don't see the fear of flyers to be honest.

They have limited options for movement when zooming. 18inch minimum with a fire ark of 90 degrees.

Just don't create lines of troops against those death rays.

Oh, he can't shoot my troops in assault. If I was facing this list I'd aim to get all of my units in assault where possible.

Either that or you have the options of spammed Hive Guard.
Or the Telekensis tree for spammed psykers to deal with them.

I'm just not that impressed or scared of this list.

In addition, look at what he has:

HQ
-Overlord - 90pts
-Gauntlet of fire
-Res orb

Troops - 1100 pts total
-Immortal squad x6
-Night Scythe x6

Heavy - 525pts
-Doom Scythe x3

All flyers have to start in reserve.
So what's he going to start on the board with?

1 Overlord? You could potentially kill that before any of his reserves show up and win the game.

[killme304]

Good ol' cron air force. Its a fun list, but it actually isn't all that competitive. If they don't have a way to deal with massed air units they might have problems, but they will likely have to zoom off the board at least once each before they can remove most of any list.

For the record, that Overlord is not worth 90 pts, that is a naked overlords cost. The one you posted is 125.

Actual totals for that list are:

HQ
-Overlord - 125pts
-Gauntlet of fire
-Res orb

Troops - 1110 pts total
-Immortal squad x6
-Night Scythe x6

Heavy - 525pts
-Doom Scythe x3

That puts him at 1760, assuming he went with minimum squad sizes in the immortals. That is either a super small list for 2000, or he is 10 points over in 1750. Also remember that if the overlord gets wiped out or elects to start with immortals, he automatically loses the game at the end of game turn 1.

[l0rdf1end]

If you go first with Infiltrated Stealers, that gives you 1 turn (Top of Turn 2) to kill him.
Not to mention Flyrants with TL Devourers.

He better hide that unit pretty damn well.

[killme304]

Aug 28, 2012 12:37:48 GMT l0rdf1end said:

If you go first with Infiltrated Stealers, that gives you 1 turn (Top of Turn 2) to kill him.
Not to mention Flyrants with TL Devourers.

He better hide that unit pretty damn well.

Once turn 2 starts he will be fine, because the check for tableing is at the end of game turns, not player turns.

However, a pair of dakka flyrants could kill him turn 1 easy, you just have to hope he doesn't stand back up with everliving.

[apaosa]

Some units of Immortals will start on the board, he takes them solely to have more Flying Tesla Destructors.

[drakiskier]

you dont need to start with any of the troops inside the transports they buy... he can start with all his immortals on the board and wait for the flyers to come on by themselves...

and i did mess up the points listed. the overlord is 125pts, and the troops should be 1110. my estimation of the points was off a little. so no rez orb on the lord, not that it matters really.

Apaosa is right. the focus of this list is the flying tesla and the beam weapons from the doom scythes. with the flyers hard to hit, they can get 1-2 strikes with their guns before flying off... and 9 tesla destructors that can arc to other squads over and over, getting extra hits on 6's... meanwhile the immortals add more tesla to the mix...

[killme304]

Except that he DOES have to start in his transports.

When you purchase a Dedicated Transport, you are required to start with the unit that purchased it inside. They are not land raiders. Night Scythes can only be fielded as dedicated transports.

[apaosa]

As far as I'm aware, that only applies to broods with Mycetic Spores. You have an option with all other transports, dedicated or not.

[Talonis]

Dont marines in drop pods have to be in reserve now too? They dont need to be inside it when it arrives, they can walk on. But I believe they do need to start in reserve.

Arnt space marines now one of the only armies which can only use Null deployment by all in Pods?

[Algaron]

Unless they changed the rules for dedicated transports in 6th ed, you are NOT required to start the game in your dedicated transport. However its possible I missed the change (and I dont have book w/ me atm) if they did change that, can you show the page number.

[Jabberwocky]

"The only limitation of a Dedicated Transport is that when it is deployed, it can only carry the unit it was selected with (plus any Independent Characters that have joined it)." Page 78.

So they can just walk on, as long as no one else borrows their ride.