Triple Lictors?

[eugee]

I'm tossing around the idea of running some lictors instead of ymgarls in my 1500 point army. Currently I'm running 3 MCs (flyrant, tervigon, trygon prime) along with hive guard, ymgarls, horms, devilgants, and gargoyles.

I could drop Hive Commander off the Tyrant, and take 3 Lictors instead of 8 Ymgarls.

Lunacy?

I know how good Ymgarls are, I've run them for most of the last year. But how would 8 Ymgarls compare to 3 Lictors?

Ymgarls are locked into their reserve arrival location.
Lictors can adjust their arrival based on current turn needs.
Ymgarls get into assault first, but @ I1 usually.
Lictors get into assault @ I6.
Ymgarls throw out 24 attacks @ S4 w/ Rend
Lictors throw out 12 attacks @ S6 w/ Talons+Rend
Ymgarls are stuck in till the assault ends.
Lictors can Hit & Run on their turn to avoid eating shooting.

Both units will draw a ton of fire when they hit the board.

It just doesn't seem that crazy to me to run a trio of Lictors over Ymgarls...

[nalathani]

It depends on what you want to do. I run Ymgarls for one purpose: to prevent longfangs/devastator/broadsides from shooting. That's about it. Ymgarls are superior for that role because:

1) assaulting the turn you come out means one less round of them shooting.

2) T5 on the round of assault means less damage sustained, keeping you in combat longer.

3) 4+ armor. This is huge. Lictors only have 5+ armor, so bolter-equivelant guns (the most common in the game) shred them with ease. Stealth and coming into terrain helps mitigate that, but you need to be super careful about staying in cover. Ymgarls can run out into the open and still get a 4+ roll against most wounds. It also helps a bit in prolonging combat against non power weapons.

For opening vehicles and/or killing things in one round, the lictors may work well due to the I6 on the charge and Str 6. Let us know how it works out.

[eugee]

Those are some good points. For the singular role of popping up and just neutralizing a unit, I think Ymgarls are the bees' knees. I think the lictor actually isn't bad for a more versatile unit. Getting caught out of cover is most definitely the death sentence for lictors though. I find my Ymgarls almost always assaulting into cover though, and Lictors are just flat out superior for that--it's just surviving that first turn on the board.

[Talonis]

You need to really be aware of assaulting into a unit which has flamers, that could place wounds into the unit. Remember that if you charge from cover, you get the cover save from Overwatch still, so assaulting from a ruin will give your Lictors a 3+ save against overwatch. Just something to keep in the back of your mind.

While Lictors are stronger and have supportive elements, you need to really think about their placement when you deploy. Just because you can appear 1" away doesnt always mean you should.

[eugee]

Talonis, I've read every single post in the old Lictor thread, and learned a lot about what did and didn't work for you!



These babies are going to hit the table this weekend!

[Deleted]

Let us know how it goes, would love to see the batreps!

[coredump]

I can give you plenty of reasons why Yealers are better, even for attacking into cover. But you want to try them, so have at it.

[Talonis]

Glad you enjoyed my posts

And yes, post a battle rep for us to see how you go (and of course some action shots of your painted lictors in action!) all the best.

[nalathani]

Those are beautiful Lictors btw.

[rpricew]

Your Lictors inspired me to take a picture of mine ~ "Lictors...For The Win!!"

[Davor]

Well make sure you let your opponent know you re not using Ymgarls but Lictors instead. Maybe this will play mind games with him, and he will be thankfull that Ymgarls are not being used and may ignore those Lictors. That you can't pay points for.